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Old 10-02-2022, 07:31 AM
 
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Courts adjudicate only standing laws, and get reversed if they don't. ..

it is a well-known waste of time to "show up" only to ask them to rule on a moral grounds. You know alll of this.
Huh? All one has to do is to show up at our border and ask for asylum with or without a valid reason which is determined at a later date after they are already admitted into our country by Biden.
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Old 10-02-2022, 07:32 AM
 
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How about "the facilitation, transportation, attempted transportation or illegal entry of a person or persons across an international border, in violation of one or more countries' laws, either clandestinely or through deception, such as the use of fraudulent documents".


If you hold either nation's laws, to be unjustified you have a moral right to oppose them, even though their technicality remains.

Are you opposed to this woman on criminal or moral grounds?
Both!
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Old 10-02-2022, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Why are you blaming Biden but not also blaming the governor for not enforcing state law? Oh that's right, this is the Politics forum, where people are blamed to throw dirt, not because they are actually responsible for it.
1. Immigration laws are federal, not state.
2. Biden told them to come on in and refuses to put a stop to it. Why wouldn’t we blame Biden for the border crisis?

A better question is why are you trying to shift Biden’s blame to the governors? Oh, that’s right, because you’re being political while most of us are trying to point out the problem.
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Old 10-02-2022, 01:16 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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I suspect that Trump’s friends kept her in business.
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Old 10-02-2022, 02:54 PM
 
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I suspect that Trump’s friends kept her in business.

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Old 10-02-2022, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Why are you blaming Biden but not also blaming the governor for not enforcing state law? Oh that's right, this is the Politics forum, where people are blamed to throw dirt, not because they are actually responsible for it.
You want state governors to start rounding up illegal immigrants and deport them?
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Old 10-02-2022, 10:41 PM
 
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Huh? All one has to do is to show up at our border and ask for asylum with or without a valid reason which is determined at a later date after they are already admitted into our country by Biden.
Asylum falls under a different set of rules, that are imposed on all countries by international treaty. The US has voluntarily signed all of these treaties, and is one of the world's worst offenders at not living up to then.
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Old 10-03-2022, 02:38 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Asylum falls under a different set of rules, that are imposed on all countries by international treaty. The US has voluntarily signed all of these treaties, and is one of the world's worst offenders at not living up to then.
Why? Because we don’t take asylums based on gang violence, poverty, and domestic violence?
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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There are probably hundreds of millions of people worldwide who would rather spend their time in an American prison than stay in their home country.
Other than literal warzones, no. The people who come here aren't even the poorest people in their home countries. Which is why they can pay coyotes to smuggle them in. They just don't see the point staying in their home countries when the pay is 10-20x better in America. And neither would you.

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This problem is not going away and will in fact get worse as more people get access to the internet and find out how wealthy the US is and how they can get in.
Commodity price inflation has hit the third-world pretty hard. A lot of these people were paying half their income for food, and now food global food prices have skyrocketed. Food prices are what caused the Arab Spring and the European refugee crisis.

Also, much of the third-world is highly dependent on tourism dollars to keep their economies going. Covid restrictions destroyed a lot of local economies in Latin-America.

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Anyone who doesn't recognize the need for border controls given the incentives in place is foolish at best.
I would somewhat agree with you. Although US policy treats Latin-America as essentially part of the United States. Plus there is a labor shortage. I was pretty amazed by how bad it is here. Every business is struggling to get people to work. And the people who even show up are more interested in getting paid to play on their phones than actually work. And the businesses won't even fire them because they are so short-staffed.
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Old 10-03-2022, 06:12 AM
 
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Asylum falls under a different set of rules, that are imposed on all countries by international treaty. The US has voluntarily signed all of these treaties, and is one of the world's worst offenders at not living up to then.
In view of the fact that statistically 80% are making bogus claims our asylum policies need to change and in no way should we be obligated to take in everyone who makes an asylum claim legitimate or not anyway. We have to set limits.

Also, what happened to an asylum seeker having to take refuge in the first country they pass through that offers it instead of targeting the U.S.?
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