Oklahoma blocks funding for healthcare facilities administering puberty blockers for child sex changes (school, parties)

[FinsterRufus]

Originally Posted by LS Jaun

"Purely cosmetic" and "for no reason whats so ever".
sure

The WHO, and many other Health agencies have been recommending male circumcision for 15 or more years to help combat AIDS and other sexually contracted diseases.

https://www.who.int/publications/i/i...-92-4-000854-0

Right. Because babies born in Kansas are super high risk.

Get real. That’s not why parents lop off part of their boys’ penises in America 2022 and you know it.

It’s purely cosmetic (or religious) and serves no purpose whatsoever.

[FinsterRufus]

Originally Posted by Kaphawoman

It's not purely cosmetic as there's risk of infection if the area underneath the foreskin isn't cleaned properly. Now are you seriously arguing that removing the foreskin is as detrimental as removing breasts, penises, and uteruses?

No, I’m not arguing that.

But I am taking umbrage at the statement that “in a civilised society we don’t let parents mutilate children.”

Because we do.

And it’s purely cosmetic. And it is detrimental. And it is permanent.

Thers no reason why boys can’t manage their own hygiene.

[AfricanSunset]

Originally Posted by FinsterRufus

We cut the foreskin off perfectly good penises. IRL.

I agree, that's also wrong.

But also in a completely different league than this. They still have their penis.

[done working]

any parent who help a child before its 18 should be arrested and prosecuted for child abuse. When your 18 you can make all the damn stupid decisions in our own life and deal with the consequences like a adult. You parents that are doing this to your kids before they are 18 are sick sob's and god forbid i ever meet you - you sick )(**(^^*&*%

[newtovenice]

Originally Posted by notnamed

The argument I am making is that it is none of our business. It is between the patients, parents, and doctors.

You’re simply denying studies over feelings as evidenced by your caps and personal attacks.

The biggest threat of suicide occurs 7-10 years after transition. That's a fact. Try it on. See how it feels. Your body might resist it at first, but that means it's working.

Kids are learning it FROM the adults. They are learning about it at school FROM the teachers. They aren't coming up with it by themselves.

You you want studies? Here's a whole bunch. I doubt you'll read ANY of them since they completely destroy your OPINION.

https://segm.org/studies


Roberts, C. M., Klein, D. A., Adirim, T. A., Schvey, N. A., & Hisle-Gorman, E. (2022). Continuation of Gender-affirming Hormones Among Transgender Adolescents and Adults. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, dgac251. https://doi.org/10.1210/clinem/dgac251


Boyd, I., Hackett, T., & Bewley, S. (2022). Care of Transgender Patients: A General Practice Quality Improvement Approach. Healthcare (Basel, Switzerland), 10(1), 121. https://doi.org/10.3390/healthcare10010121


Littman, L. (2021). Individuals Treated for Gender Dysphoria with Medical and/or Surgical Transition Who Subsequently Detransitioned: A Survey of 100 Detransitioners. Archives of Sexual Behavior. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-021-02163-w


Vandenbussche, E. (2021). Detransition-Related Needs and Support: A Cross-Sectional Online Survey. Journal of Homosexuality, 20. https://doi.org/10.1080/00918369.2021.1919479


Hall, R., Mitchell, L., & Sachdeva, J. (2021). Access to care and frequency of detransition among a cohort discharged by a UK national adult gender identity clinic: retrospective case-note review. BJPsych Open, 7(6), e184. https://doi.org/10.1192/bjo.2021.1022


Marchiano, L. (2021). Gender detransition: a case study. Journal of Analytical Psychology, 66(4), 813–832. https://doi.org/10.1111/1468-5922.12711


Entwistle, K. (2020). Debate: Reality check – Detransitioner’s testimonies require us to rethink gender dysphoria. Child and Adolescent Mental Health, camh.12380. https://doi.org/10.1111/camh.12380


Hutchinson, A., Midgen, M., & Spiliadis, A. (2020). In Support of Research Into Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 49(1), 79–80. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-019-01517-9


Expósito-Campos, P. (2021). A Typology of Gender Detransition and Its Implications for Healthcare Providers. Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...X.2020.1869126


Butler, C., & Hutchinson, A. (2020). Debate: The pressing need for research and services for gender desisters/detransitioners. Child and Adolescent Mental Health, 25(1), 45–47. https://doi.org/10.1111/camh.12361


Zucker, K. J. (2018). The myth of persistence: Response to “A critical commentary on follow-up studies and ‘desistance’ theories about transgender and gender non-conforming children” by Temple Newhook et al. (2018). International Journal of Transgenderism, 19(2), 231–245. https://doi.org/10.1080/15532739.2018.1468293


Ristori, J., & Steensma, T. D. (2016). Gender dysphoria in childhood. International Review of Psychiatry, 28(1), 13–20. https://doi.org/10.3109/09540261.2015.1115754


Steensma, T. D., McGuire, J. K., Kreukels, B. P. C., Beekman, A. J., & Cohen-Kettenis, P. T. (2013). Factors Associated With Desistence and Persistence of Childhood Gender Dysphoria: A Quantitative Follow-Up Study. Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, 52(6), 582–590. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jaac.2013.03.016


Singh, D., Bradley, S. J., & Zucker, K. J. (2021). A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder. Frontiers in Psychiatry, 12. https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyt.2021.632784

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Dhejne, C., Öberg, K., Arver, S., & Landén, M. (2014). An Analysis of All Applications for Sex Reassignment Surgery in Sweden, 1960–2010: Prevalence, Incidence, and Regrets. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 43(8), 1535–1545. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8


Wiepjes, C. M., Nota, N. M., de Blok, C. J. M., Klaver, M., de Vries, A. L. C., Wensing-Kruger, S. A., de Jongh, R. T., Bouman, M.-B., Steensma, T. D., Cohen-Kettenis, P., Gooren, L. J. G., Kreukels, B. P. C., & den Heijer, M. (2018). The Amsterdam Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972–2015): Trends in Prevalence, Treatment, and Regrets. The Journal of Sexual Medicine, 15(4), 582–590. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jsxm.2018.01.016

[newtovenice]

Originally Posted by done working

any parent who help a child before its 18 should be arrested and prosecuted for child abuse. When your 18 you can make all the damn stupid decisions in our own life and deal with the consequences like a adult. You parents that are doing this to your kids before they are 18 are sick sob's and god forbid i ever meet you - you sick )(**(^^*&*%

Especially when there is no approved "medical care" to transition children. There are no approved FDA drugs fro use in children. There are no vetted surgeries appropriate for children. There have been ZERO clinical trials to support any of it.

It's all experimental. ALL. OF. IT.

Which also means that no medical professional is liable for any damage. Can't sue.

[AfricanSunset]

Originally Posted by Kaphawoman

It's not purely cosmetic as there's risk of infection if the area underneath the foreskin isn't cleaned properly. Now are you seriously arguing that removing the foreskin is as detrimental as removing breasts, penises, and uteruses?

There is no risk of infection. Most men around the world are not circumcised and have never experienced an infection. This is an unnecessary procedure, designed to give docs who do the procedure and hospitals money. There are some studies that men who were circumcised are more likely to have ED problems later in life.

I'm 100% in agreement with Finster that parents shouldn't be allowed to get their boys circumcised. It's child mutilation.

What I don't agree with is comparing it to removing someone's penis altogether.

I do expect a lot of Americans to instinctively defend male circumcision as it's widely practiced here. I did not get my son circumcised for example. If mother nature intended you to be without foreskin, you'd be without foreskin.

[LS Jaun]

Originally Posted by FinsterRufus

Right. Because babies born in Kansas are super high risk.

Get real. That’s not why parents lop off part of their boys’ penises in America 2022 and you know it.

It’s purely cosmetic (or religious) and serves no purpose whatsoever.

"Kansas"? Have you really talked to all people and know their myriad of reasons why they would have it done? If it is acceptable to the World Health Organization for there list of valid reasons ( from penile cancer, to std transmission, to cervical cancer in woman, to retraction issues) why should anyone listen to a blow hard online

[FinsterRufus]

Originally Posted by AfricanSunset

There is no risk of infection. Most men around the world are not circumcised and have never experienced an infection. This is an unnecessary procedure, designed to give docs who do the procedure and hospitals money. There are some studies that men who were circumcised are more likely to have ED problems later in life.

I'm 100% in agreement with Finster that parents shouldn't be allowed to get their boys circumcised. It's child mutilation.

What I don't agree with is comparing it to removing someone's penis altogether.

I do expect a lot of Americans to instinctively defend male circumcision as it's widely practiced here. I did not get my son circumcised for example. If mother nature intended you to be without foreskin, you'd be without foreskin.

Just for clarity, I didn’t compare circumcision to sex reassignment surgery, I disputed your comment that we don’t as a society allow parents to mutilate children.

What I would like to see is that people start recognising what a barbaric practice lopping off the foreskin is and stop doing it of their own accord. It’s pretty funny that people here raging against body modification have likely already done it to their children. Yes it’s not at the same level but it’s genital mutilation without the consent of the child. People will defend that to the hilt while slamming parents who are trying to find solutions for their kids.

I also would not have had a son circumcised, and I applaud your consistency.

I won’t allow my gender non conforming child to make any drastic changes to their body. But I don’t want the state to dictate what would be a complicated and individual decision depending on circumstances.

Any doctors who exploit the situation by pushing treatment for profit or foregoing the appropriate counseling and care prior to any procedure should be struck off.

[FinsterRufus]

Originally Posted by LS Jaun

"Kansas"? Have you really talked to all people and know their myriad of reasons why they would have it done? If it is acceptable to the World Health Organization for there list of valid reasons ( from penile cancer, to std transmission, to cervical cancer in woman, to retraction issues) why should anyone listen to a blow hard online

There’s no “myriad of reasons”.

It’s cosmetic, and unnecessary.

Any myriad of reasons are simply justifications. It’s a purely cultural practice in the US, the main reason being so the child “can look like his dad and won’t get laughed at in the locker room”.

Why not wait until the child is 18 and can make their own choice as an adult? Kinda like people are advocating for trans kids.

Their risk of penile cancer and STD’s are pretty low from 0-17.