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Old 10-12-2022, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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All wars are bankers wars...

Correct!
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Old 10-12-2022, 01:02 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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So who are the puppet masters that want us get into WW3?

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There is not a single folk on this planet, whether you are in America, Europe, Ukraine or Russia, that want this war to happen.
I do believe you answered your own question in your first sentence.
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Old 10-13-2022, 03:24 PM
 
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War is a money maker and both parties, for the most part, have been guilty of siding with the military industrial complex. It has always been thus.
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Old 10-13-2022, 06:19 PM
 
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War is a money maker and both parties, for the most part, have been guilty of siding with the military industrial complex. It has always been thus.
and it doesn't matter which party. War is a money maker as you say and it will probably take a war to fix the economy, not only nationally but globally.

Seems to me it has already started. Nato countries supplying weapons. U.S. airports being hacked. etc. etc.
Just no nukes launched yet or formal declaration.
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Old 10-13-2022, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Sure on both sides. They have a nice tradition to supply both sides, so they kill each other as much, as possible.
I would somewhat agree, insofar as they want to profit off war and they have no qualms funding both sides. But that doesn't mean they don't have a "side" they want to win, and it doesn't mean they've always funded both sides. Moreover, it assumes that the bankers are a monolith and that nations aren't always in a Darwinian struggle for power and survival(hegemony). Also, the banker-war hypothesis would presuppose the bankers are opposed to a "one-world government" because that would preclude their ability to profit off of war.

What is 100% true is that wars need to be financed. And the ability for a government to sustain a war depends heavily on its ability to finance the war. Financing is usually the difference between winning and losing.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say that without bankers there would be no war, or that bankers always fund both sides, or that bankers always prefer war to peace. Merchants and industrialists can just as much profit off wars as bankers.

https://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm

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"Among savages, mere physical strength, on the part of one man, may enable him to rob, enslave, or kill another man. Among barbarians, mere physical strength, on the part of a body of men, disciplined, and acting in concert, though with very little money or other wealth, may, under some circumstances, enable them to rob, enslave, or kill another body of men, as numerous, or perhaps even more numerous, than themselves. And among both savages and barbarians, mere want may sometimes compel one man to sell himself as a slave to another. But with (so-called) civilized peoples, among whom knowledge, wealth, and the means of acting in concert, have become diffused; and who have invented such weapons and other means of defense as to render mere physical strength of less importance; and by whom soldiers in any requisite number, and other instrumentalities of war in any requisite amount, can always be had for money, the question of war, and consequently the question of power, is little else than a mere question of money. As a necessary consequence, those who stand ready to furnish this money, are the real rulers.

Thus it is evident that all these men, who call themselves by the high-sounding names of Emperors, Kings, Sovereigns, Monarchs, Most Christian Majesties, Most Catholic Majesties, High Mightinesses, Most Serene and Potent Princes, and the like, and who claim to rule “by the grace of God,†by “Divine Right†– that is, by special authority from Heaven – are intrinsically not only the merest miscreants and wretches, engaged solely in plundering, enslaving, and murdering their fellow men, but that they are also the merest hangers on, the servile, obsequious, fawning dependents and tools of these blood-money loan-mongers, on whom they rely for the means to carry on their crimes. These loan-mongers, like the Rothschilds, laugh in their sleeves, and say to themselves: These despicable creatures, who call themselves emperors, and kings, and majesties, and most serene and potent princes; who profess to wear crowns, and sit on thrones; who deck themselves with ribbons, and feathers, and jewels; and surround themselves with hired flatterers and lickspittles; and whom we suffer to strut around, and palm themselves off, upon fools and slaves, as sovereigns and lawgivers specially appointed by Almighty God; and to hold themselves out as the sole fountains of honors, and dignities, and wealth, and power – all these miscreants and imposters know that we make them, and use them; that in us they live, move, and have their being; that we require them (as the price of their positions) to take upon themselves all the labor, all the danger, and all the odium of all the crimes they commit for our profit; and that we will unmake them, strip them of their gewgaws, and send them out into the world as beggars, or give them over to the vengeance of the people they have enslaved, the moment they refuse to commit any crime we require of them, or to pay over to us such share of the proceeds of their robberies as we see fit to demand." - Lysander Spooner, No Treason
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Old 10-13-2022, 07:37 PM
 
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So should he wait until NATO is on his border and Ukraine does invade?

That is the clear way it has been heading.

He isn't a fool.
one, you really think NATO and Ukraine want to invade Russia? seriously? That also discounts volumes of writings by Putin himself as to the reasons for the invasion. He has stated Russia has a historical claim to Ukraine, he has stated he wants Ukraine under their control to set up a multi polar world, where the world is divided in this strong powers with their spheres of influence, this goes against the world view we been establishing since WW2, where things like the UN are supposed to assure everyone get a seat on the table, albeit it has largely failed, I am strongly against a return to might makes right.
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Old 10-13-2022, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Personally, I don’t believe there is anyone pulling the strings wanting nuclear war. I believe that the corruption within the Biden Crime family runs so deep that they will do anything to keep it from coming to the surface which will push us into a War.

If your a country that paid a VP Of the United States bribery money then that person become president would you not black mail them? Hell, I would. I would get as much military equipment I want.. all I’d have to say is, I wonder what the American citizens would say if they knew we paid you millions for political favors and that’s just Ukraine. I bet china is laughing their ass off the entire way to the bank.. hey Joe, about those tariffs that made American products more competitive with our cheap ****? Yea, we want those gone.

The level of corruption here is way beyond any fantasy that the socialists have with Trump. Sadly for Joe, is it not fantasy.

This guy needs tried for treason in a court of law and locked away so far and dark he never sees the light of day. Then we can start putting his corrupt family members with him.

Add to all this is spending spree to pay for votes and pay back big corporate donors.. that is why the world is a damn mess and it’s squarely on this guys shoulders.
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Old 10-13-2022, 08:22 PM
 
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There is no conspiracy. This Ukraine war is the fault of Vladimir Putin. He invaded his neighbors without provocation. He wanted their land, he wanted to restore the Soviet empire. The US is not encouraging ww3 but we are helping the victims stand up for themselves. So are the European democracies. Yes we are all suffering the economic consequences for this, of course this is nothing compared with the misery in Ukraine.

This situation is good guys vs bad guys, it would have been so wrong for us to turn a blind eye to what Putin did so we could remain comfortable.
Incorrect. This situation is bad guys vs aggressive really bad guys. Ukraine is not a model country. Tons of corruption and political dysfunction and hatred in Ukraine. Russia is just even more corrupt. Easily the 2 most corrupt countries in Europe.
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Old 10-14-2022, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Incorrect. This situation is bad guys vs aggressive really bad guys. Ukraine is not a model country. Tons of corruption and political dysfunction and hatred in Ukraine. Russia is just even more corrupt. Easily the 2 most corrupt countries in Europe.
Correct. There's a reason Ukraine never got accepted into NATO/EU.

This is bad guy vs. evil bad guy. Unless you were born yesterday, you did not forget how poorly Ukraine was perceived by the west (corrupt, poor, racist). It was basically Russia's little brother.

These are WESTERN media reports pre-invasion:
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The Azov causes particular concern due to the far right, even neo-Nazi, leanings of many of its members.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aine-neo-nazis
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Welcome to Ukraine, the most corrupt nation in Europe
https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...europe-ukraine
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Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine
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Group with neo-Nazi ties still fighting on the frontlines of Ukraine war
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbqb...of-ukraine-war
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Far-Right Extremists Have Been Using Ukraine's War as a Training Ground. They're Returning Home.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb95...returning-home

Liberal media outlets like Vice, The Guardian, etc. ripped up Ukraine every chance they could get because they associated it with racism, corruption, and poverty. They absolutely despised Ukraine.
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Old 10-14-2022, 02:55 PM
 
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I would somewhat agree, insofar as they want to profit off war and they have no qualms funding both sides. But that doesn't mean they don't have a "side" they want to win, and it doesn't mean they've always funded both sides. Moreover, it assumes that the bankers are a monolith and that nations aren't always in a Darwinian struggle for power and survival(hegemony). Also, the banker-war hypothesis would presuppose the bankers are opposed to a "one-world government" because that would preclude their ability to profit off of war.

What is 100% true is that wars need to be financed. And the ability for a government to sustain a war depends heavily on its ability to finance the war. Financing is usually the difference between winning and losing.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say that without bankers there would be no war, or that bankers always fund both sides, or that bankers always prefer war to peace. Merchants and industrialists can just as much profit off wars as bankers.

https://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm
The "banker-war" is a good term, but somehow not accurate. Sure the top banks make money from all wars.
Why do you think they oppose the global government? They work on establishment of this government for years, while profiting from wars.
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