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Don't want them in prison? Change the law. This involves persuading a lot of people to encourage their reps to change it. So get busy.
Then no more such offenders will go to jail. Once the law is changed, then get the appropriate government to pardon the ones already in jail.
It's call the Rule of Law, in a representative democracy (aka a republic like the United States). And it's how we do things in this country. Except a few Democrats, who simply want people to break the law.
Yes, exactly.
By the way, just because I posted to "release them" doesn't mean I don't understand how our system works and how it needs to change so those people CAN be released.
But thanks for posting this. This is the kind of stuff that they don't seem to teach in schools anymore.
Possession of drugs is not a victimless crime. Drug distribution can destroy a community. Maybe you weren’t alive during the crack epidemic.
I responded to this a few replies back.
short answer:
dealers - prison.
addicts - treatment.
(And yes, I was alive. And I'm alive now during the opioid epidemic. and also have been personally affected through family members, with both. I'm not an expert, these are just my current views which are subject to change.)
We used to have a pretty well-functioning mental health system. SPMI, seriously persistently mentally ill lived on productive farms where they had WORK to do, things to keep them busy, tasks they could accomplish.
Then the bleeders said that was cruel and unusual, they opened the doors in the '60s and '70s in the name of "compassion" and "least restrictive environment."
There are some, as we can see at any big city homeless encampment, who are not equipped for living independently. Seriously ill schizophrenics and bipolars typically cannot successfully live independently.
Of those who are hospitalized, when discharged they'll toss their meds and seek some street drugs. Or no drugs, they're not living in the reality that you and I understand. And then eventually the police are involved. Again.
Rinse, repeat. That is NOT compassion. For the SPMI and for their families, who often don't know where their sons and daughters and brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers are, they just know they're not well and they can easily become victims out on the street. Or at least seek their own drug "cure" for the voices etc.
Bring back institutions where people have meaningful work, where they can achieve, where they can be supervised with good mental health care and medication management. THAT is compassion.
Where do you stand on punishment for drug dealers?
Dealers? Mandatory execution. And not 20 years down the line. 30 days and they should be room temperature. Dealers bring death and destruction to others while seeking only profit.
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Originally Posted by erieguy
Problem solved. Don’t let violent criminals become repeat criminals.
The problem is that we simply have too many criminals, and just as rabbits breed more rabbits and cockroaches produce more cockroaches, criminals breed criminals. Here's my proposal:
1) Anyone facing a potential sentence of 1 year or more, juvenile or adult, whether they actually receive that time or not, will be sterilized. No exceptions. Fire up the SteerMaster 2000 the day they enter and before being sent to their cell, they get the chop. Maybe an Advil and an ice pack to carry with them. Females would be processed similarly.
2) Anyone with a sentence of 10 years or more will be terminated. Cleanly and simply, no appeal, without all the drama and theater which executions now involve. It doesn't have to be cruel, just get it done. Firing squads are never "botched". No one can return to society and be a good citizen after having been locked up for such an extended period.
As for those imprisoned, read "Papillon" by Henri Charrière. This should be the manual for how prisons are run. It would encourage those who are ever inside to not do anything which would return them there.
On another note, I'd proposed the same sterilization mandate for anyone on public assistance for more than, say, two years - a lifetime limit. Before the first check is cut, implantable birth control. Check back every six months for up to that two year period. Once sterilized, the recipients can continue to engage in all the recreational screwing they want but there would be no biological byproducts to burden the taxpayer.
Within a generation crime and poverty will drop drastically!
I've been hearing people complaining about policies like no cash bail and progressive prosecutors not prosecuting people for certain crimes.
These policies seem to be about addressing mass incarceration or jail and prison over-crowding. If not those policies then what would be better ways to reduce over-crowding in jail and prisons?
Over crowded jails and prisons are more difficult for jail and prison staff to control. So something needs to be done to reduce this over-crowding.
the solution for overcrowding in prisons and jails is to build more prisons and jails. there must be consequences for crimes committed and sentences must be enforced.
Fast track death row.
There was no need for Charlie Manson to be alive as long as he was. Ridiculous. What's more, dead men don't run the risk of escaping.
Harsh? Perhaps; but then, so is the suffering of the families of murder victims.
We have to invest in more prisons. Maybe make them bigger because the population is not going to shrink. People I know who are in prison or who have been in prison don't seem to mind the place. My next door neighbor who began getting in trouble at 13 spent forty years (1968-2008) going in an out of prison for various petty and serious crimes. His older brother died in a prison fight not long ago and his brother is still in. Three or four years ago I reconnected with another guy from the old neighborhood who I hadn't seen in 40 years. He had also been in an out of prison from age 17. He seemed like the same person I knew when we were kids. No worse for wear.
IMO there are people who quickly make the necessary adjustments to prison or jail life and they become career criminals. Two young men I am very familiar with today are in prison. One is about 25 and the other is about 19. They already have lengthy rap sheets and their crimes have only gotten more serious. One of them will be tried for murder once he is sentenced for a serious crime he committed while on being out on bail.
Unfortunately we are a civilized country and can't kill them off. We couldn't keep up anyway as long as it take years to give some some one the death penalty and finally kill them off.
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