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Old 10-18-2022, 07:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Pretty obvious that they are wealthy and can afford a child, those at the bottom cannot. The abortion bans predominantly impact those at the bottom, middle class not so much. Read the conclusion from the link you posted.
No, they don't. 31.9% of women in the highest income group choose abortion when faced with an unintended pregnancy, but only 8.6% of women in the lowest income group choose abortion. There just isn't much demand for abortion among the lower income groups. The FACTS, as I've already posted:

Abortion Rates by Income Level, Unintended Pregnancies

Poverty Level: 8.6%
100%-200%: 7.8%
200%-300%: 16.2%
300%-400%: 8.0%
Over 400%: 31.9%

Source: Brookings Institution

Ironically, the group that can most afford a child is the group that is most likely to abort an unintended pregnancy.

 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:22 AM
 
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Like a man a woman can control her body as she sees fit. Convenience is taking a short cut to work, not 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of parenting.
Well then, why aren't 95% of women with unintended pregnancies using birth control when they have sex with men? Why don't they control their bodies when it comes to using contraception? Why is their go-to abortion instead of using birth control to prevent pregnancy in the first place? They want to control their bodies? They've already largely already failed at that.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:26 AM
 
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No, they don't. 31.9% of women in the highest income group choose abortion when faced with an unintended pregnancy, but only 8.6% of women in the lowest income group choose abortion. There just isn't much demand for abortion among the lower income groups. The FACTS, as I've already posted:

Abortion Rates by Income Level, Unintended Pregnancies

Poverty Level: 8.6%
100%-200%: 7.8%
200%-300%: 16.2%
300%-400%: 8.0%
Over 400%: 31.9%

Source: Brookings Institution
Please, it's not as if it's a choice in low income groups, it's the only option. No access to abortion, lack of education and contraception. High income women are unaffected by these bans, low income not so much. The overturn of Roe will have a disparate impact on the poor.

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But access to affordable abortion also matters, and this is currently limited for many low-income women. There are of course strongly-held views on abortion, but it should be hard for anyone to accept such inequalities by income, especially when they are likely to reverberate across two or more generations. Abortion is a difficult choice, but it is not one that should be influenced by financial status.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content..._pregnancy.pdf
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:29 AM
 
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Yet, I bet you are for the death penalty?
What crime has a developing baby committed to warrant the death penalty? Compare that to a serial rapist-killer. Why is a developing baby judged to deserve to be put to death just as much as a serial rapist-killer?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:33 AM
 
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Only in your imagination.
Tell that to everyone in prison for committing fetal homicide. Are they just "imagining" that they're serving a prison sentence?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:34 AM
 
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Clearly women and/or their partners are ambivalent about unintended pregnancies. No rational person could conclude anything else.

This is not surprising as Americans are not proactive or planners about anything.

None of that has anything to do with whether or not abortion should be legal.
Abortion is legal in all 50 states. Not one state has banned abortion.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:38 AM
 
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I do, but you don't. You're attributing words to the published study that aren't contained in the published study. There's a word for that. N
Women know that they're not using birth control when having sex and are able to report that fact to Guttmacher. That clearly indicates voluntarily participation in unprotected sex.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:41 AM
 
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Tell that to everyone in prison for committing fetal homicide. Are they just "imagining" that they're serving a prison sentence?
How many perps murder pregnant women?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:46 AM
 
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Please, it's not as if it's a choice in low income groups, it's the only option. No access to abortion, lack of education and contraception. High income women are unaffected by these bans, low income not so much. The overturn of Roe will have a disparate impact on the poor.
Abortion clinics are most likely to be located in/near lower-income neighborhoods, so access isn't the problem. If anything, the prohibitive factor would seem to be cost as abortions are not free. Given that, since lefties seem to be so passionate about supporting abortion, why is there no lefty/Hollywood celebrity/etc. charity that funds poor women's abortions? They cry, scream, prance about with bloody baby dolls, and otherwise LARP, demanding abortions for all, but won't dig into their own pockets to help the most needy women get them. Why not?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 07:51 AM
 
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How many perps murder pregnant women?
Not all of them. A fetal homicide conviction requires only that the developing baby was killed.
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