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Old 10-18-2022, 09:44 AM
 
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If Republicans who want to completely ban abortion are "extremists", then Democrats who want no restrictions on abortion are "extremists", as well. This is simple logic.
There is nothing logical about the Republican position on abortion.

 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Yes, it is. Just one example: https://13wham.com/news/local/former...fetal-homicide

Do you have any idea how easy it is to get abortion pills online? One doesn't even have to be an MD to access them.
He slipped her an abortion pill. Geeze, you really can find the oddball cases, can't you.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:48 AM
 
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He slipped her an abortion pill. Geeze, you really can find the oddball cases, can't you.
Well it won't be so oddball soon in the world she envisions.

Abortion pills will be the newest street drug and teenagers all over the country will be on trial for murder facing life in prison or the death penalty.

That's what will be next up from Republicans pandering to their extremist base.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:51 AM
 
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Yes, women should have listened to the ACLU who understood that people who were killing doctors and bombing abortion clinics would stop at nothing including perverting the law to obtain their objective.

What standard shall we hold teenagers to?

Should we try the sixteen year old girl as an adult, put her in jail for life or give her a death penalty in the states that have it?

You are in favor of executing women who have abortions in states where it is illegal to get an elective abortion and there is a death penalty.

No surprise that someone who uses grieving families would take that stand.
Again, I'm in favor of allowing state legislatures to enact restrictions on abortion just like they vote to enact restrictions on assisted suicide in the event of a terminal illness. In BOTH cases, the state legislature, elected by the people of their state (reference: 10th Amendment) have jurisdiction.

Why are you so afraid of the US Constitution? If you don't like it, get to work on ratifying an Amendment that guarantees abortion to every woman at any time regardless of the reason for killing their child. Get to it!
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:54 AM
 
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He slipped her an abortion pill. Geeze, you really can find the oddball cases, can't you.
And, frankly, why shouldn't he? As the father, he did the exact same thing the mother would do if she didn't want the baby: kill it.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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There is nothing logical about the Republican position on abortion.
Graham wanted to pass a federal 15 week elective abortion ban. That seems perfectly logical to me. Gives a woman more than a trimester to decide, before the fetus has developed further, and keeps abortions due to medical issues legal. Though I don't know that the Federal government can actually impose this over the states or not. That may or may not be Constitutional.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 10:00 AM
 
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Graham wanted to pass a federal 15 week elective abortion ban. That seems perfectly logical to me. Gives a woman more than a trimester to decide, before the fetus has developed further, and keeps abortions due to medical issues legal. Though I don't know that the Federal government can actually impose this over the states or not. That may or may not be Constitutional.
You clearly did not read his bill.

It did not allow for abortions for fetal anomalies.

It also allowed states with shorter timeframes like 6 weeks to keep those timeframes.

Alito and Kavanaugh said in Dobbs that the feds could legislate on abortion.

Remains to be seen what they would do with any given piece of legislation. I fully expect they would apply their personal viewpoints on abortion rather than law, but who knows.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 10:01 AM
 
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If Republicans who want to completely ban abortion are "extremists", then Democrats who want no restrictions on abortion are "extremists", as well. This is simple logic.
Dems who want no restrictions are saying... leave it to the doctor and patient to decide. Not politicians who don't even understand pregnancy and what can go wrong. They are saying abortion should not be decided by the legislature. The logic is not so simple.
 
Old 10-18-2022, 10:02 AM
 
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Again, I'm in favor of allowing state legislatures to enact restrictions on abortion just like they vote to enact restrictions on assisted suicide in the event of a terminal illness. In BOTH cases, the state legislature, elected by the people of their state (reference: 10th Amendment) have jurisdiction.

Why are you so afraid of the US Constitution? If you don't like it, get to work on ratifying an Amendment that guarantees abortion to every woman at any time regardless of the reason for killing their child. Get to it!
So you are ok with teenagers being tried as adults and facing a death penalty in states that want that?
 
Old 10-18-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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And, frankly, why shouldn't he? As the father, he did the exact same thing the mother would do if she didn't want the baby: kill it.
Dang right those MEN whether they be fathers or politicians should have the final say in what women do with their bodies. Silly woman what was she thinking.
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