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Old 10-19-2022, 07:35 AM
 
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Abortion has always existed and always will. Making laws against it won't stop abortion.
Laws against murder won't stop murders from happening we know. Doesn't mean it should be condonened or encouraged. Under Roe V Wade there were laws banning abortion after a certain period in the pregnancy for most states

 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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Everyone does not consider abortion, especially in the early weeks, to be immoral or evil. You are welcome to your opinion, but you need to accept that the whole world does not agree with you.
Yes...and many (maybe most) in human history accepted slavery as okay.
Even today...there are places where people consider a man in his 50s marrying a 12 or 13 year old girl, cause to celebrate.
Etc, etc, etc.
They have their "opinion", even though I do not agree.
I believe that there are some things that are objectively immoral and evil (like slavery, pedophilia, gratuitous torture, etc), regardless of the "opinion" of those that might find it acceptable anyway.
Wantonly executing gestating babies is one of those things.
So...I view it as the height of evil and badness...because it is, IN FACT. Those that find it acceptable (even the law) and would do it anyway, notwithstanding.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:02 AM
 
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Yes...and many in human history accepted slavery as okay.
Even today...there are places where people consider a man in his 50s marrying a 12 or 13 year old girl, cause to celebrate.
Etc, etc, etc.
They have their "opinion", even though I do not agree.
I believe that there are some things that are objectively immoral and evil (like slavery, pedophilia, gratuitous torture, etc), regardless of the "opinion" of those that might find it acceptable anyway.
Wantonly executing gestating babies is one of those things.
So...I view it as the height of evil and badness...because it is. Those that find it acceptable (even the law) and would do it anyway, notwithstanding.
Excellent points! And I completely agree.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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Yes...and many (maybe most) in human history accepted slavery as okay.
Even today...there are places where people consider a man in his 50s marrying a 12 or 13 year old girl, cause to celebrate.
Etc, etc, etc.
They have their "opinion", even though I do not agree.
I believe that there are some things that are objectively immoral and evil (like slavery, pedophilia, gratuitous torture, etc), regardless of the "opinion" of those that might find it acceptable anyway.
Wantonly executing gestating babies is one of those things.
So...I view it as the height of evil and badness...because it is, IN FACT. Those that find it acceptable (even the law) and would do it anyway, notwithstanding.
Who are you to judge?

The abortion issue puts a full grown and living woman against the potential of a developing embryo which may spontaneously abort (naturally) within the first 3 months. Seems that even your God considers it dispensable at that stage. Thus, abortion in those early weeks is not immoral at all.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:15 AM
 
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Who are you to judge?
I'm no more or less than anyone else.
But, to determine some things as immoral and evil (such as slavery, pedophilia, gratuitous torture, baby killing, etc) requires very little assessment and/or critique...as they are objectively so.

By your twisted logic...since everyone is going to die anyway, we should all just be able to kill anyone we prefer did not exist.

Oh, and, where you get this "what my God considers", I do not know. I'm a Pantheist.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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I'm no more or less than anyone else.
But, to determine some things as immoral and evil (such as slavery, pedophilia, gratuitous torture, baby killing, etc) requires very little assessment and/or critique...as they are objectively so.

By your twisted logic...since everyone is going to die anyway, we should all just be able to kill anyone we prefer did not exist.

Oh, and, where you get this "what my God considers", I do not know. I'm a Pantheist.
Your views sound very religious to me. No idea what a Pantheist is, nor do I care. I am not going off on that tangent.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:33 AM
 
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Who are you to judge?
Who are you to think human life is disposable based solely on someone else's whim?
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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Your views sound very religious to me. No idea what a Pantheist is, nor do I care. I am not going off on that tangent.
You mentioned what you thought "my God considered". So...
But, then...that is a typical thing the Pro-Choice to Kill Babies crew does. They try to present the idea that it's evil to kill babies as some kind of crackpot Theological position.
It's not. It's the most basic moral position there should be, in any civilized society.
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:57 AM
 
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You mentioned what you thought "my God considered". So...
But, then...that is a typical thing the Pro-Choice to Kill Babies crew does. They try to present the idea that it's evil to kill babies as some kind of crackpot Theological position.
It's not. It's the most basic moral position there should be, in any civilized society.
In your opinion. Not everyone agrees. That is my point. You, or any other individual person are not the arbiter of the issue. I have no problem with you giving your opinion. But many others do not agree with you. I only expect others to acknowledge that other opinions are also valid.

Argue on...
 
Old 10-19-2022, 09:57 AM
 
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Who are you to think human life is disposable based solely on someone else's whim?
This is how they think: https://youtu.be/tn5Q8_7HSiU
They have to know that it doesn't get any more evil and depraved than that...but, I believe they actually celebrate being like that.
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