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Old 10-24-2022, 12:23 AM
 
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Don’t think of it as separate programs. It’s a timeline. If you know that there is a “limit to growth” and you also know that Chairman Mao just transformed his society into a one party totalitarian state using mass scale thought reform (brainwashing), it’s not terribly complicated to see that that will lead to something rather precarious in the future. In this case a hundred or so years or less until you reach that “limit to growth.”

We were suppose to start those reforms in the 1970’s and gradually decline into a rebalancing of East-West relations. That didn’t happen because MAGA OG won in 1981 and reversed the decline, even if it was only temporary. That led to 30 years lost out of that 100 year prediction about “limits to growth.” That why I bring up the Brundtland Commission because it talks about the same ideas LtG did. A “change in values and priorities” or the creation of a “new moral criteria.”

How do you create a “new moral criteria” for an entire nation? We don’t have to ask, books have been written and I quoted Kissinger saying as much about mass scale thought reform to Mao. In fact one of the most prominent academics on the subject is Robert Jay Lifton. The same Lifton that teamed up with Dr. Brandi Lee which sort of kicked off “Duty to Warn” which went outside of the norms of psychology to “warn the public” about Trump and his malignant narcissism. Did I mention he’s also a member of the Collegium International? His name is on the Declaration of Interdependence. That where they essentially laid out the Collegium’s goals.




https://search.archives.un.org/uploa...6-01-00008.pdf

Idk about you but a Declaration of Interdependence kind of makes it sound like it supersedes something like a Declaration of Independence, does it not?

But it is all part of the same timeline, not different. If anything it was just all combined into “interdependence.” So the Collegium created a doctrine for global governance. It’s a program to synchronize the planet. You’d have to read Robert Lifton’s book Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism (1961) to see what I mean. Lifton lays out eight themes for which you can judge your environment and test it to see how totalitarian it is.

1. Milieu Control
“Trusted News Initiative,” Five Eyes, full pressure from specialist associations like the AMA, AHA, AFT, NEA, etc.

2. Mystical Manipulation or Planned Spontaneity
Vanguardism in BLM/LGBTQ+++

3. Demand for Purity
Kendi’s and DiAngelo’s “Anti-Racism” or Fauci’s zero COVID-19 maximum STUPID-19 policies

4. Cult of Confession
Attempts by management to gather as much information about sex, marital life, children, gender, etc. not for therapeutic or simply to gather statistics but to use for political purposes - DEI (corporations, governments, churches), SEL (education), ESG (finance), CRT (which is at the core of the DEI program, it is the philosophical basis for it) (.mil)

5. “Sacred Science”
Trust only the science from us, the rest is dis/mis/malformation

6. Loaded Language
White Supremacy, Black Lives Matter, Trans Rights, Speech is Hate, Silence is Violence, etc. - Thought Terminating Cliches


7. Doctrine Over Person
All the different doctrines are really just subcategories of the one doctrine, Critical Theory > CRT > CQT and everyone must be subordinate to it

8. Dispensing of Existence
Cancel Culture (self evident)

Idk about you but that seems like a pretty large number of coincidences if you ask me. If I’m using those theme as a judgement for totalitarianism, I’d say we are already in a totalitarian state and it is not the republicans who are running it. But you tell me. You can skip to chapters 22 and 23 to read about Lifton’s description for yourself and see if you think what is happening is organic?

I guess the best document to explain all of it is from 2014. It’s called “Towards world governance.”




https://web.archive.org/web/20190809...overnance.html

That was 2014 before the Paris Climate Agreement and before Trump. They were pessimistic about sovereignty, elections, self interest and the future to the point of saying we were heading towards a “poly-catastrophe.” That sounds really bad. I wonder what they would do to try and avert a “poly-catastrophe?”

To sum all of it up it goes something like this:

Limits to Growth/Thought Reform > UN/UNESCO/Collegium Internation/WEF > schools and institutions get turned into machines of revolution. But don’t take my word for it. Here is UNESCO saying that outright:

Transformation is the red thread running through all the Sustainable Development Goals, the United Nations’ agenda for responding to global challenges facing humanity and the planet. Setting our world on a more sustainable course requires radical shifts in current development paradigms that are exacerbating inequalities and imperilling our common future. This transition is dependent on new knowledge, research and competences that only higher education institutions are in a position to provide, rooted in their historic role of service to society.



In 1964, inspiring the 1968-student revolt a couple of years later, Herbert Marcuse wrote a key text against “one dimensional man”, urging universities and campuses around the world to become places that resisted reductionism. He urged for a thinking that would show us alternatives beyond the universalizing forces of current rationalism. Universities, especially through higher education, could pave the way for human development independently of industrialized society. Giving attention to that which is not captured in the universals of one-dimensional-man, formed to serve the productive, consuming society, he created visions for alternatives.

https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/4822...9eng.pdf.multi

If you don’t know who Marcuse is he is the father of the New Left. He was also part of the Frankfurt School and he was also in FDR’s brains trust and an employee of OSS, forerunner to the CIA. Later he worked for the State Department in the Intelligence and Research Bureau in charge of overseeing the intelligence coming out of the Communist countries. He would have been collecting things like Mao’s speeches and Stalin’s writings.

So DEI, ESG, SEL, CRT, ***** Theory, etc. (and many other ideas) all got brought together at the Collegium International. Idk about all of the members but what I can tell you is they range from Open Society people to Club of Rome/Madrid people to the UN General Secretary to scholars and academics philosophers and economist. People who advised Bill Clinton while was POTUS. People who have written extensively in Continental Theory (neo-Marxism/post-Marx), Democracy/Interdependence, and Thought Reform/Psychohistory/Totalitarianism/Cults.
Maga OG being a Hollywood actor Ronald Reagan. Are you alluding to the movement getting hijacked at that moment in time? And then instead of bringing utopia to the world it just became more about how ends up at the top no matter what the state of things are?
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Old 10-24-2022, 01:24 PM
 
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Maga OG being a Hollywood actor Ronald Reagan. Are you alluding to the movement getting hijacked at that moment in time? And then instead of bringing utopia to the world it just became more about how ends up at the top no matter what the state of things are?
It doesn’t really matter what I think. Reagan was not alone in the 1980’s with regards to helping being an end to the Cold War and the liberalization of markets along with some heavy defense spending. That’s been talked and written about extensively and there is not need to go over all of that right now.

Nixon and Kissinger had already started the East-West realignment by ending Breton Woods, trying to use economic controls, etc. Their program came to be known as “managed decline.” This is not really controversial and I believe most people recognize that but not necessarily the reasoning for it. Limits to Growth a somewhat new concept to most people which is why it made such an impact when it came out in 1972.

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Inter-solidarity must also lead the international community to resume negotiations on the measures to be taken to regulate and control a globalized economy while ensuring balanced sustainable development and a reduction of interstate and intrastate inequalities. This commendable and legitimate ambition to establish a new, fairer and more stable international economic order, an essential condition for international security, was unfortunately sacrificed from the 1980s under the pressure of neoliberal theories whose extent of the damage is measured today.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210519...solidaire.html

Understanding all of this is important to understand what “global equity” means and it is not a good thing for the West. America will see something like 80% of its purchasing power disappear. The resources countries use will be something equivalent to their population as a percentage of the whole. Again, not a hard concept to understand. The different powers that be have made a concerted effort to deal a death blow to the idea of America and the West, sovereignty, Christianity, capitalism, market based economics, all of the “old” power structures that could not be ideologically captured and have decided that the way forward is a technocratic technologically totalitarian singularity based on the “4th Industrial Revolution” and AI.

If you read Limits to Growth you will see that they give options for how to have a relatively high standard of living in a “sustainable world” and it includes population control. If you use the year 2000 as the apex of global economic activity, you will find the only way for everyone to live like Americans is for there to only be 500 million people on Earth. That’s if 500 million people could even run the global apparatus. With the current 8 billion people the GDP/capita is around $4200. That’s 1/15th of what America’s current GDP/capita is. It would seem like there’s some “balancing” that needs ti be done.

So in light of all of that, how does STUPID-19 look? Who do you think gets voted off the island? What country has to fall to make the biggest impact for “world governance” to take place? Do you think the global elites will willingly give up their status or do they get to enjoy the spoils of war while everyone else eats bugs and lives in a fake universe called Meta? How long before humans get turned into Matrix like generators while they do their required Meta exercises throughout the day?

The grim fate that could be ‘worse than extinction’
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...l-intelligence
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Old 10-24-2022, 07:54 PM
 
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So we’re clear about Marcuse and him being the father of the New Left, he is also the author of the current repressive tolerance.

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The question, who is qualified to make all these distinctions, definitions, identifications for the society as a whole, has now one logical answer, namely, everyone 'in the maturity of his faculties' as a human being, everyone who has learned to think rationally and autonomously. The answer to Plato's educational dictatorship is the democratic educational dictatorship of free men. John Stuart Mill's conception of the res publica is not the opposite of Plato's: the liberal too demands the authority of Reason not only as an intellectual but also as a political power. In Plato, rationality is confined to the small number of philosopher-kings; in Mill, every rational human being participates in the discussion and decision--but only as a rational being. Where society has entered the phase of total administration and indoctrination, this would be a small number indeed, and not necessarily that of the elected representatives of the people. The problem is not that of an educational dictatorship, but that of breaking the tyranny of public opinion and its makers in the closed society.

However, granted the empirical rationality of the distinction between progress and regression, and granted that it may be applicable to tolerance, and may justify strongly discriminatory tolerance on political grounds (cancellation of the liberal creed of free and equal discussion), another impossible consequence would follow. I said that, by virtue of its inner logic, withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements, and discriminatory tolerance in favor of progressive tendencies would be tantamount to the 'official' promotion of subversion. The historical calculus of progress (which is actually the calculus of the prospective reduction of cruelty, misery, suppression) seems to involve the calculated choice between two forms of political violence: that on the part of the legally constituted powers (by their legitimate action, or by their tacit consent, or by their inability to prevent violence), and that on the part of potentially subversive movements. Moreover, with respect to the latter, a policy of unequal treatment would protect radicalism on the Left against that on the Right. Can the historical calculus be reasonably extended to the justification of one form of violence as against another? Or better (since 'justification' carries a moral connotation), is there historical evidence to the effect that the social origin and impetus of violence (from among the ruled or the ruling classes, the have or the have-nots, the Left or the Right) is in a demonstratable relation to progress (as defined above)?
https://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publ...-fulltext.html

In case you are not aware of who Marcuse is and what sort of influence they have had.

FDR’s Brains Trust:
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:23 PM
 
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Dang…

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Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars -- and yet they have done it themselves.
Friedrich Nietzsche, "The Parable of the Madman" (1882)
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Old 11-04-2022, 08:22 PM
 
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I’ve given you glasses through which you can observe the “objective” world and see if what you’re being told is true. I make no promises other than that I have provided as much information here as I could possibly find using the internet and an archivist. That is all.
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Old 11-11-2022, 12:40 PM
 
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So long as our gov't consumes >50% of all we make, economic growth will remain severely limited.

Any growth the USA has seen in the past few years has been due to the Bulwhip effect post covid where 2 years of pent up demand was released. That has now past and we are back to zero growth.

If you want robust growth, gov't should be restricted to 10% of GDP...no more.

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Old 11-11-2022, 12:46 PM
 
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Population explosions occurred mostly because of agriculture -- if you owned a farm, you needed a lot of children to work on it. However, when you die there won't be enough land for each of your children to get enough. People don't think too far ahead, ya know.

With increasing industrialization and education, the desire to breed a horde of kids decreases. (Unless your government rewards single parents, like the US used to).

Now that everyone thinks they need college, and college is crazy expensive, the desire for more and more kids is mostly gone. As long as birth control and early abortions are available, this could continue.

Leveling off or decreasing population can hurt short term, because there aren't enough workers available. But long term it is the best thing for poor old planet earth.

I don't know if there is an elite depopulation agenda, but I doubt it. We don't need it, depopulation is happening anyway. The average American can't afford to raise a horde of kids in their modest size house. And upper class Americans only want to have one or two.

As the whole world becomes more like the US and the western nations, population should stop growing. Thank God. Hopefully, people will try to see past the current inconveniences.
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Old 11-11-2022, 01:38 PM
 
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Population explosions occurred mostly because of agriculture -- if you owned a farm, you needed a lot of children to work on it. However, when you die there won't be enough land for each of your children to get enough. People don't think too far ahead, ya know.

With increasing industrialization and education, the desire to breed a horde of kids decreases. (Unless your government rewards single parents, like the US used to).

Now that everyone thinks they need college, and college is crazy expensive, the desire for more and more kids is mostly gone. As long as birth control and early abortions are available, this could continue.

Leveling off or decreasing population can hurt short term, because there aren't enough workers available. But long term it is the best thing for poor old planet earth.

I don't know if there is an elite depopulation agenda, but I doubt it. We don't need it, depopulation is happening anyway. The average American can't afford to raise a horde of kids in their modest size house. And upper class Americans only want to have one or two.

As the whole world becomes more like the US and the western nations, population should stop growing. Thank God. Hopefully, people will try to see past the current inconveniences.
I agree, especially this, "Leveling off or decreasing population can hurt short term, because there aren't enough workers available. But long term it is the best thing for poor old planet earth".

Also this so called shortage of workers isn't for good paying jobs they are for low waged ones and importing foreigners to fill them puts them on the public dole to cover their social costs. Affordable housing, healthcare, schools and our natural resources cannot keep up with the demand. They tend to have many children to and that puts even more stress on everything and contributes to overcrowding.
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Old 12-04-2022, 09:49 AM
 
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A timeline of the Collegium International and its work

https://www.collegium-international....1-2015?lang=en
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Old 12-04-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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Finding of Interdependence

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The globalization of flows favors practices that extend beyond national territories to the benefit of transnational networks which organize themselves according to their specific interests (lex mercatoria, lex electronica) without having a vocation to defend common interests. The globalization of risks and that of crimes demonstrate the limits of relativism and call for measures of prevention, regulation and repression according to a common policy and with common legal means.
https://www.collegium-international....ndance?lang=en
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