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You know you have issues when Yahoo starts going against you, but a lot of the Media is at the point where they can not ignore these things if they want to retain even a minimum amount of credibility.
As for his statement. He probably honestly believes that. He isn't in control. He doesn't know if he is signing a Law or Executive Order. Someone just sticks a document in front of him and tells him to sign. To him, it's just a signature.
But since it is Good ole Grampa Joe, most MSM outlets will still just brush it off as him making a misstatement. Of course, if the "other guy" did it....it would be headline news for a week.
From the linked article in the OP:
In an interview released Sunday, President Biden stated that his student-debt forgiveness initiative had already been “passed by a vote or two” although it hasn’t been voted on in Congress.
Biden issued an executive order in late August “forgiving” up to $10,000 in student debt for individuals making less than $125,000 per year and up to $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients in the same income category. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the unilateral move could cost taxpayers as much as $400 billion.
During a panel discussion with the digital media company NowThis, Biden falsely claimed that the executive order was actually legislation that he “got passed by a vote or two.”
My guess is, for Joe everything he wants "blends into one", and they all "must have been done right" somehow, back in the dim, dark past.
An Executive Order, of course, is an instruction issued by the President to support a law or program passed by Congress and signed into law by the President (or a previous President). The President cannot simply order done anything he wants.
The classic example goes something like:
Congress passes a program where a group of Federal buildings in Washington DC will be painted gray, and the President signs it into law. Then the President issues several Executive Orders to buy the paint, get three bids on doing the painting, get all the required permits etc. He is issuing Executive Orders to support a program that has already been approved by Congress and signed into law, so these EOs are legal.
If he issued an Executive Order saying the buildings would be painted green, or saying that several additional buildings would also be remodeled, those would not be in pursuance of what Congress and the President signed and would have no legal basis. They would be unconstitutional since the President was trying to make a law that Congress hasn't passed. (I know, Biden and previous Presidents did it all the time. But they are still unconstitutional.)
Famously while Barack Obama was President, he wanted to have a program called DACA that would let illegal aliens who were brought into the country by their illegal-alien parents, stay. A bill was drawn up and sent to Congress. The House passed it, but the Senate voted it down. So it was not approved by Congress, and should have been dead fish after that. But Obama simply started issuing EOs declaring that various parts of DACA were now law anyway. Those EOs were, of course, completely unconstitutional. But the Democrats somehow got away with it anyway.
Now Biden is announcing that he will unilaterally "forgive student loans" of many students who borrowed a lot from the Fed govt to get their degrees (some actually got the degrees, others didn't). Leaving aside the question of whether the programs to lend these students the money in the first place were authorized by the Constitution themselves, did those programs give the President any authority to unilaterally cancel payments ("forgive") the loans?
To make such a radical change in the program, would take a vote in Congress to change the law they had passed, and then a signature from the President. But as the OP's article points out, there was never a vote in Congress to cancel ("forgive") the loan payments. So Biden's EO cancelling them, is completely unconstitutional.
It's nice to have a President in office who either can't remember what he did a few months ago, or has no concern for obeying the Constitution - he simply believes he can do anything that comes into his head (or is put there by unscrupulous "advisors"), like a King or other dictator. As Clinton sycophant Paul Begala once said, "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool", with no concern for the genuine destruction of our constitutional Democracy his sentiment required.
Democrats don't really care how their policy is enacted, as long as it is... executive orders, supreme court stacking, etc. They care about power for power's sake. Me? I'd ban executive order power, and make legislators convene year-round in both congress and states.. none of this "we are in session for 2 months and then done for the year" stuff while paying them these full time salaries.
Salaries do vary wildly by state though. Legislators should be available for votes and bills 12 months a year, minus whatever scheduled vacation they have in which they can vote remotely, or no vote.
Biden outright lies. No one can believe a thing that comes out of his mouth. The left think they can lie and if they say it enough times, people will take it as truth. They can't be trusted. It's been proven so many times. I have no respect at all for them.
“ During a panel discussion with the digital media company NowThis, Biden falsely claimed that the executive order was actually legislation that he “got passed by a vote or two.”. Congress never passed a Law - which they must do to make any part of this Loan Forgiveness LEGAL. Biden even admitted he probably didn’t have the authority to do by Fiat.
“ Biden has been reluctant to use executive action to fulfill his promises, and he questioned whether he had the legal authority to do so. White House officials repeatedly punted to Congress, indicating that Biden would sign a student loan forgiveness bill if one were passed.”
There is a lot of different between the Demented Biden Gafff-Hyperbole and an Outright LIE on a bid for VOTES.
Biden announced that he will be using executive action to implement a broad student loan forgiveness initiative that will wipe out $10,000 in federal student loan debt for borrowers earning less than $125,000 per year (or $250,000 per year if they are married). No comparable student debt cancellation program has ever been enacted before.
This wasn’t an Executive Order, as many Media have reported - it was a White House Announcement and an Executive Memo to the Department of Education.
This is exactly what Obama did with DACA - an Executive Memo to Homeland Security.
That wasn’t Legal either.
Biden Says He Passed Student Loan Bailout ‘by a Vote or Two’ but Congress Never Voted on It
ok so we have some serious ignition problems here....
no juice is getting to the engine
President Joe Biden falsely said he passed his much-ballyhooed student loan bailout package by a “vote or two” even though Congress has not yet voted on it.
Actually, I think it's more serious than an ignition problem. I think the crankshaft shattered and a rod went right through the block.
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They care about power for power's sake. Me? I'd ban executive order power, and make legislators convene year-round in both congress and states.. none of this "we are in session for 2 months and then done for the year" stuff while paying them these full time salaries.
Biden Says He Passed Student Loan Bailout ‘by a Vote or Two’ but Congress Never Voted on It
