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Old 10-27-2022, 07:14 AM
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No, the left is very upset that he's an extremely wealthy conservative person of color. Apparently, we're only allowed to be poor and liberal.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...prime-minister


There are lots of people with Indian ancestry who are involved in the Conservative Party and who have held high office, and Biden's response was rather disrespectful, insulting and misguided.

Sunak's wealth is in relation to his wife's family rather than his own family, as Sunaks family, although not poor, ran a successful Chemist shop (pharmacists) and his father was a local family doctor (general practitioner or gp).

Sunak attended Stroud School, a preparatory school in Romsey, and expensive fee paying Winchester College, a boys' independent boarding school, where he was head boy.He read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, graduating with a first in 2001.

During his time at university, he undertook an internship at Conservative Campaign Headquarters. In 2006, he gained an MBA from Stanford University in the US, where he was a Fulbright scholar.

Sunak's brother, Sanjay, is a psychologist and his sister, Raakhi Williams, works in New York as chief of strategy and planning at the United Nations global fund for education in emergencies.

Rishi Sunak's in laws are co-founders of Infosys, an an Indian multinational information technology company, which in 2021, became the fourth Indian company to reach $100 billion in market capitalisation. It's Sunak's wife's shares in her fathers company that account for Sunaks wealth.

Infosys - Wikipedia

Sunak's father in law N. R. Narayana Murthy is estimated to be worth $4.5 billion, and he was one of seven engineers who founded Infosys back in 1981, with an initial capital was $250.

N. R. Narayana Murthy - Wikipedia

As for the poor Indian stereotype, some of the richest and most successful people in the UK are of Indian ancestry, and many Indians support Britain's right wing Conservative party rather than socialism or left wing parties such as the US Democrats, so go figure dementia Joe.

The Hindujas are work around $33 Billion, the Mittal's around $15 Billion and there are numerous other very very successful Indians, although even there success is eclipsed by Mukesh Ambani, who has bought a number of British assets including Stoke Park Golf Club, and intends to move his family to the UK according to media report. Mukesh Ambani chairs and runs $104 billion (revenue) Reliance Industries, and has a personal wealth of around $95.7 billion USD.

UK Rich List 2022: Hindujas, Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw, Lakshmi Mittal among richest Indian-origin tycoons - Hinustan Times

British Indians: a remarkable story of success - The Telegraph

Mukesh Ambani buys British country club Stoke Park for 57 million pounds - Business Standard (2021)

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Old 10-27-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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On some Youtube video's there's guesses of 2 months, end of the year, what do you think?

The new PM is 3rd generation so how can you not call him British, even tho' he's a Hindu. And they've also got, reportedly, a Muslim Mayor of London.
Longer than their predecessor.
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Old 10-27-2022, 07:18 AM
 
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i suspect that a lot of people are triggered that a Hindu has become the PM of a predominantly Christian country.
I don't think it sees itself as a predominantly Christian nation. In a 2018 study HERE, 52% identify as no religion.
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Old 10-27-2022, 08:18 AM
 
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Anyone who is a UK citizen is a Brit, as British are commonly called. On top of that Sunak was born there in Southampton, so he is a born in UK British. It does not matter if he is a Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Jew or atheist. That has nothing to do with nationalities.
Is Britain a people? A culture? A legal status? Lines on a map? If I fly to Britain tomorrow and they hand me citizenship papers, am I British? As British as everyone else?

What is a nation?

Is Ukraine a nation? What does that even mean? Lines on a map? Why do those lines exist? Why do they matter? Either nations mean something, or they don't. If every British person is replaced by Pakistanis and Indians, will it still be Britain? If London becomes increasingly non-white and then decides to secede from the UK, does it have that right? Why or why not? What is the right to self-determination? Who has that right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

Enoch Powell was right. So is Peter Hitchens. The moment American hegemony fails, we will see.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co...migration.html
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Old 10-27-2022, 08:52 AM
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Is Britain a people? A culture? A legal status? Lines on a map? If I fly to Britain tomorrow and they hand me citizenship papers, am I British? As British as everyone else?

What is a nation?

Is Ukraine a nation? What does that even mean? Lines on a map? Why do those lines exist? Why do they matter? Either nations mean something, or they don't. If every British person is replaced by Pakistanis and Indians, will it still be Britain? If London becomes increasingly non-white and then decides to secede from the UK, does it have that right? Why or why not? What is the right to self-determination? Who has that right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

Enoch Powell was right. So is Peter Hitchens. The moment American hegemony fails, we will see.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co...migration.html

The US was built on immigration and cities such as NYC are very diverse and the same is true of many other countries, so I don't see why Britain is being singled out.

Former Irish Taoiseach (PM) Leo Varadkar, father was born in Bombay (now Mumbai), India, and moved to the United Kingdom in the 1960s, to work as a doctor.

Leo Varadkar mother met her future husband while working as a nurse in Slough in England and in early in 1971, they married in the UK. They lived in Leicester in England, where the eldest of their three children, Sophie, was born. The family moved to India, before settling in Dublin in 1973, where their second child, Sonia, was born, with Leo Varadkar being born in 1979, in the Rotunda Hospital, Dublin.

During the campaign for the 2015 same-sex marriage referendum, Varadkar came out as gay, becoming the first serving Irish minister to do so.

Leo Varadkar - Wikipedia

US Vice President Kamala Harris's mother was from India and her father from Jamaica.

Kamala Harris - Wikipedia

Whilst Barrack Obama is of mixed heritage and the UK has numerous Mexican, South American , Puerto Rican and other mixed heritage politicians.

Barack Obama - Wikipedia

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Old 10-27-2022, 08:59 AM
 
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Never can tell. Afterall, they said Sadat wouldn't last long but they were basing that on how he had to live being under Nasser......boy, he sure fooled the world.
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Old 10-27-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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So nobody here has a clue then. Similarly, Britain has no clue how to govern itself. It'll just continue to let the global monied investment class wag the dog.
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Old 10-27-2022, 09:29 AM
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So nobody here has a clue then. Similarly, Britain has no clue how to govern itself. It'll just continue to let the global monied investment class wag the dog.
Britain has one of the oldest parliamentary democracies in the world, and it does now how to govern itself and has been through far worse than the current economic crisis.

In terms of what lies ahead, the main priority will be to cut spending and increase investment rates, and Sunak will well aware of what needs to be done.

The US under Biden increased investment rates and this saw the dollar punish many other currencies who didn't raise their rates and the money markets merely reflected this in relation to a host of currencies and not just pound sterling.

Biden's America risked further inflation due to it's large spending plans, whilst tax increases were stopped by the US Congress.

Biden has continually interfered in UK politics and even had a go at Liz Truss for cutting the top rate of tax from 45% to 40%, which Biden called trickle down economics.

This would be fine if the US didn't have a top rate of 37% and you never hear Biden attacking the RoI which has a top rate of 40% and a history of very low corporation tax coupled with very low public spending.
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Old 10-27-2022, 09:51 AM
 
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Many Indians support Britain's right wing Conservative party rather than socialism or left wing parties such as the US Democrats.
The only thing a conservative wants to conserve is his money. A sentiment shared by people of all races. And the government doesn't just take money, it also hands it out. Wanting government money(jobs, contracts, subsidies, welfare, tax credits, etc) is another thing people of all races can appreciate.

Whether Rishi Sunak is good or bad depends on how much money he can either keep in your pocket, or put in your bank account. The entire "conservative" government is non-British.

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/06/tru...teng-braverman

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I don't think it sees itself as a predominantly Christian nation. In a 2018 study HERE, 52% identify as no religion.
Do you know what a Cultural Christian is? Someone being non-religious doesn't mean they are nothing. By that poll, myself and most of my friends would fall into the category of "non-religious".

That's because I don't believe Christianity is true, and I think the Churches are at best charities that offer fellowship and job opportunities, and at worst a massive scam. Regardless, my values, traditions, and worldview are heavily influenced by Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Christians

A Muslim who loses their faith, a Christian who loses their faith, and a Hindu who loses their faith aren't the same person. Moreover, just because I'm not religious, doesn't mean I wouldn't want my "leaders" to be religious. The reason I'm not religious is because I can't believe, not because I think Christianity is bad. I was raised Mormon and think the Mormons are overwhelmingly good people. I also have a special place in my heart for the Amish. I have a very low opinion of atheists(not agnostics or deists or spiritualists).
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Old 10-27-2022, 10:01 AM
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The only thing a conservative wants to conserve is his money. A sentiment shared by people of all races. And the government doesn't just take money, it also hands it out. Wanting government money(jobs, contracts, subsidies, welfare, tax credits, etc) is another thing people of all races can appreciate.

Whether Rishi Sunak is good or bad depends on how much money he can either keep in your pocket, or put in your bank account. The entire "conservative" government is non-British.

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/06/tru...teng-braverman
The vast majority of the Conservative party is British, and Conservatism is based around conserving Britain's culture and history.

As for the aims of any government, it is to improve the quality of life for everyone through the economy, and through businesses creating jobs, wealth and opportunity for everyone.

What's wrong with that.

The US is the country that puts tax cuts over infrastructure and investment and not the UK, the exception in the US being it's Keynesian Military spending and planned green energy spending, whilst the US has significant budget deficits and national debt, and should not be pointing the finger at other nations.

The UK is also helping the most vulnerable in society and business through energy caps, and Sunak has also announced that he will be increasing benefit.welfare payments in line with inflation, as a cohesive society that looks after the poor is better than some other societies I could name.
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