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But just fyi, all countries are struggling with inflation, not just the US. Voting for the right wingers won’t help the US economy one bit.
Republicans have a terrible record managing the economy. Just terrible.
The last Republican President to leave our nation's economy in better shape than he found it was Eisenhower. I'm not kidding.
Clinton, Obama, and Biden have all done a much better job of growing the economy, and reducing the federal deficit than any of the recent Republican Presidents.
If your big issue is the economy, then voting for Republicans is just stupid.
That's aside from whether you support the government telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies, or whether you are fine with Republicans spending money intended for the poor on sports venues or anti-choice programs.
The only say any of us get in how tax money is spent is through voting for our preferred congress critter.
This isn't about funding that has or has not been allocated. This is about using funding for other than the purposes determined by elected officials.
It is a subversion of the will of the people(granted not all the people, but those whose votes prevailed). Thems the rules.
What is it that you are not understanding about the fact that pregnancy crisis centers offer social services to families?
The idea is to give to needy families, correct? That's what they do. If you understood how they operate you would know that. But you don't.
Imagine if PP had also provided actual prenatal and delivery care for women along with social services to help them and their families. But PP wants to kill babies. So ... pregnancy centers pick up the slack and help women and their families out ... and you're mad that poor families are actually getting help.
The cognitive dissonance is just so incredible. People are angry that poor people are getting help for their families because the organization fulfilling that need also helps pregnant women. Okey dokey then.
This will be a fun thread to refer to in the next abortion thread when someone yells about 'forced birthers who don't care about the women/babies after they are born.' But it confirms that pro abortioners really don't want anything but money for abortions. /shrug/
And yet you trust PP to offer abortions ... when it is a money maker for them.
They profit directly off of every abortion. Directors get bonuses when they go above their quotas -- and yes, they have a sales quota for abortions. Like they are selling washing machines or used cars.
Yet you think that qualifies as "care." Suuuureeeee.
Abortions are 3% of PP’s business. Hardly a moneymaker.
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You, again, literally have no idea what pregnancy crisis centers do.
You, again, are spreading misinformation about the motivation and agenda of crisis pregnancy anti abortion centers.
What Do Crisis Pregnancy Centers Do?
What might not be immediately apparent to someone seeking help at a CPC is that these centers take a distinct anti-abortion approach to pregnancy in that unintended or “crisis” pregnancies have two viable options, adoption or parenting. Multiple “undercover” or “secret shopper” surveys of CPCs and detailed reviews of the centers’ promotional materials and websites reveal that these centers give the impression of being medical clinics or having medical expertise [3, 7-9].
Often using neutral-sounding language, these centers offer to help women with free pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, testing for sexually transmitted infections, and counseling on “all options” for pregnancy. In addition, pregnant women are often offered resources such as maternity clothes, diapers, and parenting classes. These centers often offer to give a “pregnancy verification” form, which women can use to enroll in prenatal care or to apply for government assistance with medical care (e.g., Medicaid or the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children) [3, 8, 9].
CPCs, as a rule, not only discourage abortion but also refuse to provide referrals to abortion clinics, although they often provide “counseling” about “dangers associated with premarital sexual activity” [10]. Women who visit CPCs typically do not realize that they are not in an abortion clinic and are surprised to find that abortion is not considered an option at these centers [3]. As obstetrician-gynecologists, we have had several disgruntled patients come to us who were disappointed and felt deceived by the care that they had received at CPCs.
Again, my issue is that tax payer money is being funneled to support and push anti abortion efforts, meaning to “centers” which use every trick available to convince women to carry out unwanted pregnancies, all while pretending they just want to support women/families to do what is best for them. Planned Parenthood does not pretend to be something they are not to push their agenda.
If planned parenthood pushed an agenda inconsistent with their stated agenda I would not support them. However, unlike “anti abortion family centers”, PP are transparent.
They call themselves 'Planned Parenthood' yet offer no neonatal classes or check ups. They offer abortions, STD testing, STD medication, but no actual 'planning' for 'parenthood'. So, you're going to have to stop supporting them since they are 'inconsistent with their stated agenda'.
Yes, I do get that. My point was that no one, obviously, is against helping anyone who’s pregnant and in need. I find it repugnant that there are people who would take advantage of such a dilemma to push desperate women into following their agenda.
However, I think we have to accept that there are two sides to this debate and unfortunately there are not many services available to women that give unbiased, non politicised advice or support of all options available to them.
Anti abortion centres, masquerading as pregnancy support, are going to operate regardless - and it’s important, as you are doing, to highlight the imbalance here and be honest about inequity of funding.
I think planned parenthood had a good go at providing all options, including prevention, and of course they’ve been demonised beyond repair at this point.
Would be great to find a balance, to have places that truly help for the sake of helping, that offers all solutions and support, but the climate is so polarised that I can’t see it happening.
I completely agree, and I also feel that balance is very unlikely at this point. In fact, if people vote red because of a mistaken belief conservatives can somehow fix a world wide economic crisis, we are looking at a complete abortion ban in the US. McConnel and other repubs have already said so, and I believe them.
They call themselves 'Planned Parenthood' yet offer no neonatal classes or check ups. They offer abortions, STD testing, STD medication, but no actual 'planning' for 'parenthood'. So, you're going to have to stop supporting them since they are 'inconsistent with their stated agenda'.
Planned parenthood as in contraceptives. And I did forget to donate to them this year, thanks fr reminding me.
Here in Mississippi, the state used taxpayer money intended to help the poor on a volleyball stadium so a rich sports star alum's daughter could play in one and another rich sports has-been could go to luxury rehab. This while the state ranks highest on measures such as infant and maternal mortality.
That doesn't seem to matter much, because there are hospitals closing labor and delivery services in the Delta, where the fortunes of Mississippi were made and lost working the rich soil now farmed by machines. That's going to be especially onerous as the number of children born each year who may not have otherwise now that abortion is no longer available is expected to be around 5,000 additional births.
If the current infant and maternal mortality rates hold steady, that means that 40 more children will be born only to die before their first birthday. And at least one more woman will give birth only to die herself within the year. Extending post-partum Medicaid for women who can't afford their medical care was voted down in the last legislative session. Everyone can draw their own conclusions about why the legislators thought that no abortions plus no Medicaid was the way to vote.
Your issue is that the money being "funneled" is meant for poor families. The money you say should be going to Planned Parenthood instead. But their primary purpose is to make sure a woman doesn't have a family:think
See name of the organization. Their mission is to empower women to have children at a point in their lives when they feel well able to provide for the child’s needs.
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They call themselves 'Planned Parenthood' yet offer no neonatal classes or check ups. They offer abortions, STD testing, STD medication, but no actual 'planning' for 'parenthood'. So, you're going to have to stop supporting them since they are 'inconsistent with their stated agenda'.
Which happen to be the messy parts of reproductive health care that so many other health agencies are more than glad to outsource to PP so they don’t have to deal with the uncomfortable questions of STDs or pregnancy because of a rape. The county health department, churches, hospitals, broader community health outreach programs all cover those other things. PP absorbs the controversial stuff so those other entities don’t have to and can thus get better funding for their missions without drawing the controversy associated with a woman actually wanting to have and enjoying sexual relations.
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