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The republic part is the constitution. A set of non-negotiables; free speech, right to self defense, right to make decisions at the state level, etc. The rest is up for debate through elected representatives but they can’t make laws that infringe on the set of non-negotiables in the constitution. Which is harder than it sounds.
... and the representatives can IGNORE the "will of the people" and vote any way they want with the only recourse is to elect better representatives next time. That is why the United States is NOT a "Democracy".
If you don't think the Democrats steal elections, read the history of Chicago. It is accepted that they stole the election for mayor for many years. The trash haulers were the highest paid city employees for years because their union could swing elections. Want trash service, vote for Daley. Between Daley Sr. and Daley Jr., they were mayor for 43 years.
How is the election being stolen for Joe Biden supporting democracy? It seems like the actual patriots are the ones who are disputing the stolen election and should be saluted for standing up for democracy.
Like the protesters in Brazil. They are disputing a stolen election.
If you don't think the Democrats steal elections, read the history of Chicago. It is accepted that they stole the election for mayor for many years. The trash haulers were the highest paid city employees for years because their union could swing elections. Want trash service, vote for Daley. Between Daley Sr. and Daley Jr., they were mayor for 43 years.
I won't get into other extenuating conditions on election security, but with respect to election fraud, we know as matter of fact, that the Democrats drastically violated election laws, using COVID as a means to subvert our checks and balances.
In all of the major swing states, Democrats got into the elections departments and... using COVID-19 as an excuse, wantonly violated state election laws to perform the following:
Mass mail-in voting... in some cases, just sending out a ballot to literally everyone who was registered to vote.
Ballot harvesting, as in... allowing people to go door to door and collect ballots on behalf of the political party.
Ballot drop-boxes... allowing people from anywhere to be able to deliver ballots, without any verification.
Waiving registration deadlines
Waiving signature verification
Waiving proof of identity verification
... and so much more.
This allowed rampant and mass voting violations. I've gone through this whole thing before, and people say... "show me the proof, you have no proof!!!" so here it is... state supreme courts ruling that the states violated their own election laws:
There have been some other recent court rulings, but these are really the only ones I remember off hand. I can't remember the other states. I think maybe North Carolina, and a few others. What's even more crazy, a year ago, even me just posting this would have constituted a violation of terms and conditions for spreading "misinformation," even though it's literally all fact.
About a century. Nixon, a Republican, finally used federal force to desegregate the South's schools in 1970, 16 years AFTER Brown v. Board of Ed. Note that neither JFK nor his successor LBJ (both Democrats) ever lifted a finger to do so. They kept segregated schools intact. It's pretty clear exactly which party is pro-Jim Crow racial discrimination based on that historical fact.
Your point is the Country should have allowed Donald Trump to become president, & they would not start another civil war?
Your point is the Country should have allowed Donald Trump to become president, & they would not start another civil war?
My point is that Democrats are the party of Jim Crow. They refused to desegregate schools for another 16 years AFTER Brown v. Board of Ed. It took Nixon, a Republican, to finally use federal force to desegregate schools in 1970. Democrats JFK and LBJ allowed segregated schools to continue to racially discriminate.
My point is that Democrats are the party of Jim Crow. They refused to desegregate schools for another 16 years AFTER Brown v. Board of Ed. It took Nixon, a Republican, to finally use federal force to desegregate schools in 1970. Democrats JFK and LBJ allowed segregated schools to continue to racially discriminate.
It is very clear that you are disputing the outcome of the 2020 presidential election:
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They WERE unconstitutional. In too many states, including PA, WI, etc., persons in the executive branch of state government made unilateral changes to federal election procedures. The US Constitution specifically stipulates that only the state legislatures may do so. So, sorry to tell you, but the 2020 federal election results were Constitutionally invalid in several states.
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Correct. There were illegal, unconstitutional federal election procedure changes made in several states, as I just posted.
It was dereliction of duty that SCOTUS wouldn't hear any challenges to state election results based on this. It is THEIR JOB to support and defend the US Constitution. They've ALL sworn an oath to do so.
The Compromise of 1877 settled an intensely disputed presidential election, by appeasing the Confederacy, ending Reconstruction, & ushering in Jim Crow for a century. To resolve the disputes in the absence of a clear constitutional directive, Congress passed the Electoral Commission Act.
In 1877, the Confederates agreed they would not start another civil war, what do they want in 2022?
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I doubt you and I don't need a course in civics or forgiveness for my student loans.
My civics books said what I just told you. A republic is a representative democracy besides. Just one's that elect their leaders to vote on issues for their constituents.
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The republic part is the constitution. A set of non-negotiables; free speech, right to self defense, right to make decisions at the state level, etc. The rest is up for debate through elected representatives but they can’t make laws that infringe on the set of non-negotiables in the constitution. Which is harder than it sounds.
What you're descibing is majoritarianism, which to be sure is also a form of democracy; just not one that has safeguards that protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Even so, if there's free and fair (i.e. not showcase ones) elections for leaders - and at the sub-national level, ballot initiatives, state constitutional amendments, etc. - it's still a democracy, just a representative democracy/republic.
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Yeah, it's pretty much restricted to the extreme right and the Founders...
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,..."
Which means one where the people vote on who represents them in Congress, the state legislature, and so forth. It's still a form of democracy.
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Bingo.
Consent of the governed -- that's democracy. Electing representatives to handle the day to day business of governing is still democracy.
Republicans think they should be the ones in charge but since they are not the majority and haven't been for years, they cheat -- purge voting rolls, gerrymander districts, work to overthrow elections, ... and claim this is allowed because, you know, we are a republic.
You get an A!
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What? No diff between Democracy & Constitional Republic you say?
In a democracry, its majority rules. Is that what you think we have?
Ever heard of the Electoral College?
Why does each state get 2 Senators? Tiny Delaware gets 2, California gets 2 Is that majority rule?
Most 8th graders realize there's a relevant difference.
That's why it's a republic, not a mere majoritarianism democracy. Again, if the people elect their leaders, it's still a form of democracy - even if it is a representative republic.
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