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Old 11-03-2022, 11:41 PM
 
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It was Trump's winning the nomination that persuaded George Will to change his vote from republican to democrat in 2020.

There are a LOT of us out there, who voted for Biden because the alternative was untenable, but who very much want Biden to not run again.

And, he won't.

Except not voting for Joe and Kamala didn't require voting for Trump and Pence.
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Old 11-03-2022, 11:43 PM
 
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Except not voting for Joe and Kamala didn't require voting for Trump and Pence.
And that’s why GW won in 2000.

I love Nader and his platform of consumer protection. We need more of it. But them Nader voters in FL elected GW defacto. Gotta know the system first. If not, you lose.
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Old 11-03-2022, 11:48 PM
 
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A "conservative" columnist not voting for Trump. Interesting, that Trump has the highest approval rating of any candidate within their own since the record was created, and he can't do it.
He’s also the first candidate to lose the presidency, senate and house in the same election. Big time loser.
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Old 11-03-2022, 11:52 PM
 
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And that’s why GW won in 2000.

I love Nader and his platform of consumer protection. We need more of it. But them Nader voters in FL elected GW defacto. Gotta know the system first. If not, you lose.

The morality of ones actual choice should be paramount to anyone , not a residual or external effect that the choice might have.


No one should care about whether they end up on 'a winning voting team' or not.


The resulting moral failure is at the feet of the people who voted for GW, not the people who voted for Nader.
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Old 11-04-2022, 12:18 AM
 
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Why is George Will relevant? He is as fake as his hair wig.
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Old 11-04-2022, 12:21 AM
 
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He’s also the first candidate to lose the presidency, senate and house in the same election. Big time loser.

GOP didn't control congress to lose. The GOP won 14 seats in Congress in 2020. Hillary the candidate to lose the WH, House and Senate in 2016. Is she a big time loser ? That would make her the first.
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Old 11-04-2022, 06:27 AM
 
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It was Trump's winning the nomination that persuaded George Will to change his vote from republican to democrat in 2020.

There are a LOT of us out there, who voted for Biden because the alternative was untenable, but who very much want Biden to not run again.

And, he won't.
I'm with you. I don't want Biden to run again, because he is just plain too old, plus I agree that he has lost a step mentally. But if it comes down to Biden vs Trump again, I will be forced to vote for Biden. Better to have a vegetable in the Oval Office than a madman.

But I still hold out hope that the system will offer us two viable options in 2024.
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Old 11-04-2022, 06:38 AM
 
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I'm with you. I don't want Biden to run again, because he is just plain too old, plus I agree that he has lost a step mentally. But if it comes down to Biden vs Trump again, I will be forced to vote for Biden. Better to have a vegetable in the Oval Office than a madman.

But I still hold out hope that the system will offer us two viable options in 2024.

Biden sole job was to get Trump out of office. He accomplished that mission. I hold the democrats responsible for not grooming a candidate to take his place. Harris is not the answer. Their only chance is Trump running again which just may happen. The American public deserves better.
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Old 11-04-2022, 06:40 AM
 
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Of course not. The alternative would have been MUCH worse.
I suppose that will be their main campaign slogan...
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Old 11-04-2022, 06:43 AM
 
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don't let Joe and Kamala run in 2024! Wouldn't this imply they shouldn't have run the first time?

https://nypost.com/2022/11/02/george...f-the-country/
Unfortunately, they "WON!" (Was it Pelosi that famously said: "Well, it worked, didn't it??")
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