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Old 11-06-2022, 05:00 AM
 
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It is worth noting the author of the following, Michael Luttig, was appointed by President George H. W. Bush, and formerly served on the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit for 15 years.

He advised Vice President Mike Pence on January 6.
From long before Election Day 2020, Trump and Republicans planned to overturn the presidential election by exploiting the Electors and Elections Clauses of the Constitution, the Electoral College, the Electoral Count Act of 1877, and the 12th Amendment, if Trump lost the popular and Electoral College vote.

The cornerstone of the plan was to have the Supreme Court embrace the little known “independent state legislature” doctrine, which, in turn, would pave the way for exploitation of the Electoral College process and the Electoral Count Act, and finally for Vice President Mike Pence to reject enough swing state electoral votes to overturn the election using Pence’s ceremonial power under the 12th Amendment and award the presidency to Donald Trump.
Opinion: The Republican blueprint to steal the 2024 election

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/opini...tig/index.html
"]It is worth noting the author of the following, Michael Luttig, was appointed by President George H. W. Bush"
And?


mitt romney was also a repub, so was liz chaney!


MANY politicians change their party affiliation also.
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Old 11-06-2022, 05:02 AM
 
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Witch hunt?

Tell me. All the Trump officials who have admitted they told Trump he lost and the election fraud claims were bunk. Are they ALL lying? Really?

Or, and I know this is radical…maybe TRUMP is the liar.
Such short memories, "hanging chads"!
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Old 11-06-2022, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Such short memories, "hanging chads"!
Bush won Florida. Gore has a stronger case than Trump, but at the end of the day, you can only go with what you have. You can’t just “assume” people really meant something else.

That was ONE STATE and a few hundred votes, too. Not five states and hundreds of thousands.
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Old 11-06-2022, 05:52 AM
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Lol.
They should be concerned with planning their attack on Desantis.
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Old 11-06-2022, 05:55 AM
 
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"]It is worth noting the author of the following, Michael Luttig, was appointed by President George H. W. Bush"
And?


mitt romney was also a repub, so was liz chaney!


MANY politicians change their party affiliation also.
He advised VP Pence to disobey the POTUS.

“Had the Vice President of the United States obeyed the President of the United States, America would immediately have been plunged into what would have been tantamount to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis.”
The war on democracy instigated by the former president and his political party allies on January 6 was the natural and foreseeable culmination of the war for America. It was the final fateful day for the execution of a well-developed plan by the former president to overturn the 2020 presidential election at any cost, so that he could cling to power that the American People had decided to confer upon his successor, the next president of the United States instead. Knowing full well that he had lost the 2020 presidential election, the former president and his allies and supporters falsely claimed and proclaimed to the nation that he had won the election, and then he and they set about to overturn the election that he and they knew the former president had lost.

… Over a year and a half later, in continued defiance of our democracy, both the former president and his political party allies still maintain that the 2020 presidential election was “stolen” from him, despite all evidence -- all evidence now --that that is simply false. All the while, this false and reckless insistence that the former president won the 2020 presidential election has laid waste to Americans’ confidence in their national elections. More alarming still is that the former president pledges that his reelection will not be “stolen” from him next time around, and his Republican Party allies and supporters obeisantly pledge the same.

False claims that our elections have been stolen from us corrupt our democracy, as they corrupt us. To continue to insist and persist in the false claim that the 2020 presidential election was stolen is itself an affront to our democracy and to the Constitution of the United States -- an affront without precedent. Those who think that because America is a republic, theft and corruption of our national elections and electoral process are not theft and corruption of our democracy are sorely mistaken. America is both a republic and a representative democracy, and therefore a sustained attack on our national elections is a fortiori an attack on our democracy, any political theory otherwise notwithstanding.

… The genius that is America’s democracy is this. The Constitution vests all power in “We the People.” We agreed in the Constitution to delegate our power to our representatives, only during their time in our service, and at that, exclusively for the purpose of representing our interests in the Nation’s Capital, not theirs. Our democracy is the process through which our representatives, using the power that we have delegated to them, in turn and in trust, govern us. We choose in our national elections those who we want to represent us, including most importantly the President of the United States. It is for this simple reason that to steal an election for the presidency from us is to steal our democracy from us.

America’s democracy was almost stolen from us on January 6.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...1497-jml-final
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Old 11-06-2022, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Beautiful NNJ
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"You missed all the news about fake electors"

You are right. I do NOT watch "fake" news!

I have asked several times now,have you seen any of the videos of dems wrongdoings?
Please share so I can educate myself.

Also confused how you establish Just Security is "far left" when the actual assessment you posted calls it Left Center and rates its factual reporting as High. Huh?
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Old 11-07-2022, 05:11 AM
 
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Bush won Florida. Gore has a stronger case than Trump, but at the end of the day, you can only go with what you have. You can’t just “assume” people really meant something else.

That was ONE STATE and a few hundred votes, too. Not five states and hundreds of thousands.
"You can’t just “assume” people really meant something else."

Why NOT?

That is EXACTLY what pelosi and the rest of the dems did in the Trump impeachment?

They "interpreted" what he said. Even AFTER the person on the other end did NOT "interpret" their way.

"What is good for the goose....."!
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Old 11-07-2022, 05:13 AM
 
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He advised VP Pence to disobey the POTUS.

“Had the Vice President of the United States obeyed the President of the United States, America would immediately have been plunged into what would have been tantamount to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis.”
The war on democracy instigated by the former president and his political party allies on January 6 was the natural and foreseeable culmination of the war for America. It was the final fateful day for the execution of a well-developed plan by the former president to overturn the 2020 presidential election at any cost, so that he could cling to power that the American People had decided to confer upon his successor, the next president of the United States instead. Knowing full well that he had lost the 2020 presidential election, the former president and his allies and supporters falsely claimed and proclaimed to the nation that he had won the election, and then he and they set about to overturn the election that he and they knew the former president had lost.

… Over a year and a half later, in continued defiance of our democracy, both the former president and his political party allies still maintain that the 2020 presidential election was “stolen” from him, despite all evidence -- all evidence now --that that is simply false. All the while, this false and reckless insistence that the former president won the 2020 presidential election has laid waste to Americans’ confidence in their national elections. More alarming still is that the former president pledges that his reelection will not be “stolen” from him next time around, and his Republican Party allies and supporters obeisantly pledge the same.

False claims that our elections have been stolen from us corrupt our democracy, as they corrupt us. To continue to insist and persist in the false claim that the 2020 presidential election was stolen is itself an affront to our democracy and to the Constitution of the United States -- an affront without precedent. Those who think that because America is a republic, theft and corruption of our national elections and electoral process are not theft and corruption of our democracy are sorely mistaken. America is both a republic and a representative democracy, and therefore a sustained attack on our national elections is a fortiori an attack on our democracy, any political theory otherwise notwithstanding.

… The genius that is America’s democracy is this. The Constitution vests all power in “We the People.” We agreed in the Constitution to delegate our power to our representatives, only during their time in our service, and at that, exclusively for the purpose of representing our interests in the Nation’s Capital, not theirs. Our democracy is the process through which our representatives, using the power that we have delegated to them, in turn and in trust, govern us. We choose in our national elections those who we want to represent us, including most importantly the President of the United States. It is for this simple reason that to steal an election for the presidency from us is to steal our democracy from us.

America’s democracy was almost stolen from us on January 6.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...1497-jml-final
"America would immediately have been plunged into....."

Is just an OPINION!


And maybe a very bitter BIASED one.


"Luttig was mentioned frequently as being near the top of George W. Bush's list of potential nominees to the Supreme Court of the United States despite opposition from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and a dispute between Luttig and the Bush administration over the handling of the case of alleged "dirty bomber" Jose Padilla (see below).[12][13] Bush interviewed Luttig but ultimately did not choose him to fill either of two Supreme Court vacancies in 2005. Those two seats were filled by John Roberts and Samuel Alito."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Luttig
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