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Originally Posted by TRex2
Well, then. Get to demonstrating. That means case numbers and rulings, not dismissals.
Irrelevant.
It's not irrelevant. Lawlessly taking over a neighborhood is a completely different level of crime than lawlessly taking over the Capitol building during a ceremony to begin the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another, with the purpose of preventing the installation of a new president. Led by the outgoing president.
It's not irrelevant. Lawlessly taking over a neighborhood is a completely different level of crime than lawlessly taking over the Capitol building during a ceremony to begin the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another, with the purpose of preventing the installation of a new president. Led by the outgoing president.
They're not even on the same scale.
Factually, not true. In your mind, perhaps.
in·sur·rec·tion a violent uprising against an authority or government.
se·di·tion conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
CHOP fits the definition exactly, J6 only fit the definition after the asshats violently entered the Capitol.
Interesting how only 2 of the 5 were convicted of Seditious Conspiracy. All 5 were convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding. They could all receive a 20 year sentence. I'm sure there will be appeals.
Look at Steve Bannon. Sentenced to 4 months and allowed to be free until the appeal process is complete. Will the same happen with the Oath Keepers? I think Trump will pardon them all if he is re-elected. Criminals who do his bidding get a free pass.
Seditious conspiracy has a high standard of proof. The other three were apparently not in the loop with Meggs and Rhodes and others.
Bannon was convicted of a relatively minor crime compared to sedition and the related charges.
If they were to receive the maximum, Meggs is looking at 86 years, Rhodes at 60, and the other three 45-56 years each. Federal years, which mean no Time off for good behavior or anything else unless they are pardoned by a president.
They shouldn’t pin their hopes on Trump. Regardless of his “announcement” he is not running nor does he have any chance of winning the nomination.
It's not irrelevant. Lawlessly taking over a neighborhood is a completely different level of crime than lawlessly taking over the Capitol building during a ceremony to begin the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another, with the purpose of preventing the installation of a new president. Led by the outgoing president.
They're not even on the same scale.
Some can't or won't understand the difference. Thankfully, the justice system does.
Apparently actual law disagrees with your interpretation.
It isn't my interpretation, I posted the actual definitions. The law isn't always equally applied.
Deny the bias all you want. One was called "a summer of love" the other "the darkest day in our history" , if you can't see that through your political blinders, I'm sorry.
All I want to see is everyone held accountable, equally. That is something that isn't happening.
It isn't my interpretation, I posted the actual definitions. The law isn't always equally applied.
Deny the bias all you want. One was called "a summer of love" the other "the darkest day in our history" , if you can't see that through your political blinders, I'm sorry.
All I want to see is everyone held accountable, equally. That is something that isn't happening.
Since you copied your definitions and pasted them with no attribution, we can only assume they came from an online dictionary, which is geared to the least educated to make them slightly moreso.
When you get lawyers discussing things, the meaning of a word can change dramatically with every layer that is peeled away. The most famous example is Bill Clinton stating ”It depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.” With sedition and insurrection, you have to put them in context, since they are both crimes against a state or ruler. This leaves a myriad of possibilities to be explored by a prosecutor, defense attorney, judge, and a jury, regardless of what you or I think they mean. All casss that are tried by different judges are necessarily going to be handled differently, and that is just a fact of life. That is why Trump went judge shopping to get Aileen Cannon over in the next county to run interference for him. He would hAve received different treatment in his county of residence.
If you have legal training, please provide us with a definition that would be acceptable on an exam. I’d love to see it.
Since you copied your definitions and pasted them with no attribution, we can only assume they came from an online dictionary, which is geared to the least educated to make them slightly moreso.
When you get lawyers discussing things, the meaning of a word can change dramatically with every layer that is peeled away. The most famous example is Bill Clinton stating ”It depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is.” With sedition and insurrection, you have to put them in context, since they are both crimes against a state or ruler. This leaves a myriad of possibilities to be explored by a prosecutor, defense attorney, judge, and a jury, regardless of what you or I think they mean. All casss that are tried by different judges are necessarily going to be handled differently, and that is just a fact of life. That is why Trump went judge shopping to get Aileen Cannon over in the next county to run interference for him. He would hAve received different treatment in his county of residence.
If you have legal training, please provide us with a definition that would be acceptable on an exam. I’d love to see it.
Feel free to use whatever you want to define those words. And you an i both know, once lawyers are involved, everything can change.
It is mind bogging though, how you just refuse to see the bias between the two incidents.
No need to reply, it is pointless, we obviously have different opinions on this.
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Originally Posted by trobesmom
Some can't or won't understand the difference. Thankfully, the justice system does.
Exactly. There's comfort in being able to say well, the courts don't see the two as comparable.
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