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Old 11-07-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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I have in-laws that ended up in an emergency medical situation in the UA.

My mother in law was in Florida when she ended up in the hospital in Florida. She had alzheimer and her health was failing. They had supplemental health insurance to cover emergences. The insurance company flew her home as soon as she could fly.

My in-laws are dirorced and remarried.

Cut to a few years later and my father in law ends up in the shopital in Charleston SC. Within three days they chartered a private jet to fly him home rather than keep him here in the USA. (He had additional health insurance for travel purposes).

Both these cases would be under 'Canadians having medical procedures int he USA"...but reality --- they went homee AS SOON AS THEY COULD TRAVEL.
What you are describing is a standard feature of most, if not all, supplemental plans with 'out-of-province/state/country' coverage.

We, as Canadians with an employer provided defined benefit pension plan that includes a grab bag of goodies like massage therapy and out of Province travel coverage with Blue Cross an American company, were told very succinctly and repeatedly when attending our retirement counselling courses that should we become ill requiring hospitalization while in the U.S.; if we could be stabilized and medically approved to fly, we would be on a med-flight with medical attendant accompaniment home to Canada before our next meal.

The ironic thing is, our travel coverage is with Blue Cross (American) and the U.S. is the only country stipulated in the fine print that they would perform that med-flight feature ASAP! There is no mention of an immediate med-flight out of any other country UNLESS the required medical treatment is unavailable.

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Old 11-07-2022, 10:40 AM
 
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And there are simiilar problems in some areas in the USA. There is no system to ensure every geographical area has sufficient medical resources in the USA.

The only reason there can be more is because of the population of the USA.
Exactly so, as we've shown any number of times before in these threads dissing on one country or the other.

Eg: https://www.ramusa.org/clinic-schedu...hoClN4QAvD_BwE

Notice the number and names of the States deemed necessary to hold these free clinics to provide even the most basic of healthcare.

https://www.ramusa.org/volunteer-wit...xoCXKYQAvD_BwE

They need volunteers to cover the numbers of citizens lined up sometimes days in advance, even sleeping in their cars to avail themselves of this charity-based provision. In the world's single largest economy first world country!

https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...-push-up-bills
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Old 11-07-2022, 10:45 AM
 
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A lot of Americans also travel abroad for medical tourism:

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002...620-X/fulltext

In the context of my comment far more Canadians travel to The US for non-emergency medical care than the reverse.
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Old 11-07-2022, 10:46 AM
 
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The United States spends far, far, far more social programs per-capita than Europe and Canada.

No matter how much United States spends they will have a low-level of service due to corruption in Washington.

What I don't understand is when liberals want a European style health care system, they actually advocate for reductions of 30% to 70% if they want government/compulsory health care spending like Europe.

Liberals always talk about how they want a European and Canadian health care system but the USA would have to reduce government and compulsory health care costs down to 56% to be like Canada, reduce spending 73% to be like Spain and 85% to be like Greece.


https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm
Do Canada and Spain hand money to a 3rd parties to decide what and where services can be redeemed? Do Canada and Spain not allow to negotiate their pricing with pharmaceutical companies?

Obama could change all of this, instead Obama gave healthcare industry more power and money. Average cost of premiums double in 2 years after ACA was passed. Now people are hooked to ACa and we cannot get ride of it. This is such a shame.

No, I am not advocating a government run health care. If US government running it no one will get any healthcare here.
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Old 11-07-2022, 10:50 AM
 
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Can you provide hard verifiable stats?

1. If you take a look you can find dozens of similar news articles:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care

https://torontosun.com/news/national...ays-new-report

2. The Frasier Institute says the annual number of Canadians using US based non-emergency care varies from 45,000 to about 55,000 per year.



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The canard the Canadians do not use US medical care in numbers is just a lie.

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Old 11-07-2022, 10:52 AM
 
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What about waiting months for surgery?

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/cate...are-wait-times
Yep, or procedures that are not readily available there. A guest of mine from Canada was sent here to Scottsdale to the Mayo Clinic for Cancer treatment that wasn't available there.
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Old 11-07-2022, 10:53 AM
 
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Do Canada and Spain hand money to a 3rd parties to decide what and where services can be redeemed? Do Canada and Spain not allow to negotiate their pricing with pharmaceutical companies?

Obama could change all of this, instead Obama gave healthcare industry more power and money. Average cost of premiums double in 2 years after ACA was passed. Now people are hooked to ACa and we cannot get ride of it. This is such a shame.

No, I am not advocating a government run health care. If US government running it no one will get any healthcare here.
Obama saved the average family $2500 a year with Obama care
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Old 11-07-2022, 11:20 AM
 
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Obama saved the average family $2500 a year with Obama care
That is of course absolute nonsense. O-care led directly to both cost increases and very significant burden shifting across healthcare.
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Old 11-07-2022, 11:22 AM
 
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Yep, or procedures that are not readily available there. A guest of mine from Canada was sent here to Scottsdale to the Mayo Clinic for Cancer treatment that wasn't available there.
And of course "every" American needing that exact same care is:

Firstly;entitled to it in a timely manner,

Secondly; is able to travel to wherever it's available in the U.S., other than those areas of the U.S. encompassing huge swaths of population that have NO AVAILABLE HEALTHCARE whatsoever. https://www.ramusa.org/

Lastly, they are all insured to the extent that treatment is automatically, without question or outright denial, covered or they can afford the cost, otherwise going entirely without. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/29/over...afford-it.html

NOW; a gentle reminder to all, this thread like EVERY single one of these healthcare threads, originates with an AMerican questioning the failures of their system and then morphs into a bashing of Canada's system.

Why is it only Americans that are clamoring for wholesale change to their healthcare provision?
Why is it Americans are mentioning universal or single payer as a desired entity if they are all happy with their third party having a say insurance system?
Why is there no comparable numbers of threads generated by Canadians (or anyone other than Americans for that matter) demanding change in ANY forum ANYWHERE discussing healthcare reform to the extent we find numbers of American?

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Old 11-07-2022, 11:35 AM
 
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Interestingly, I found a page on the government website about it.

https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/heal...outside-canada

And here's an article that shows it goes both ways. Americans travel to Canada for healthcare for either cheaper costs or to get procedures done that are not approved in the USA.

https://www.thenewshouse.com/borderl...-care-systems/
I never ONE TIME EVER claimed or implied that Americans do not use Canadian healthcare. Only that Canadians use US non-emergency healthcare proportionally more than the reverse. The corrected numbers are not close.
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