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Old 11-08-2022, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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If these sexual predators would get their butts sued off more often, they would not be so quick to get their jollies by mutilating others' bodies. It's a form of master/slave BDSM.



So something like lobotomies or having heroin prescribed.

When you can prove that body mutilation is in the best interests of the patient, you may have some sort of a viable point. There's a big difference between having a person prescribed with a medication, approved by a legal guardian, and having a confused woman's breasts ripped off on a whim. You folks are getting as bad the Spanish inquisition ripping "witch's" breasts off.
Lobotomies were quite common at one point and an acceptable form of medical "help".
And so today transgender chop off surgery is treated the same.

It takes a long time to discover that what they thought was a good move turned out to be a very bad move.

These doctors think they are playing "God" in trying to change a person's sex.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:25 AM
 
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I'm not making any assumptions to her case.

I'm asking a legit question: Is gender affirming surgery based on a medical diagnosis?

If so, anyone who later has regrets should be able to sue because that means that they were not diagnosed properly. Similarly to a woman who was told she had breast cancer gets her breasts removed and then finds out later that she never had breast cancer. She would absolutely be allowed to sue her medical providers because she never had cancer. Like the women who have regrets? Well, they never were trans then.

If medical providers hold no responsibility for the diagnosis, then it's cosmetic. In which case the patient takes on the responsibility for the results of the surgery.

That also means that gender affirming surgery isn't "healthcare" since the surgery is not based on any diagnosis.

Quite the conundrum for the pro trans activists.
I was talking about the litigation but happy to discuss the other angle.

If you are talking medical as in mental health yes.

The mental health professionals will make a recommendation and the surgeons will need to rely upon that diagnosis.

Other comments not-withstanding but in cases like these they just "sue everybody". Surgeon is likely only liable if the mental diagnosis was so poorly done that they should have known.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:30 AM
 
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Lobotomies were quite common at one point and an acceptable form of medical "help".
And so today transgender chop off surgery is treated the same.

It takes a long time to discover that what they thought was a good move turned out to be a very bad move.

These doctors think they are playing "God" in trying to change a person's sex.
Yep, bottom line is that making huge permanent decisions involving mental health related problems is perilous.

Especially when it gets wrapped up in psuedo political empowerment type arguments which can influence the mentally ill into thinking they're trans and it will solve their issues.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I guarantee she signed a boat load of liability release when she showed up to get the surgery. That is what I remember signing when I got knee surgery.

This reminds me of the YouTube interview of a man who survived in his attempted suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate bridge. He said when he jumped the first thought was how big of a mistake he made. Somehow he survived wasn't killed.

If your interested in the story easy to find it on YouTube.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:34 AM
 
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Lobotomies were quite common at one point and an acceptable form of medical "help".
And so today transgender chop off surgery is treated the same.

It takes a long time to discover that what they thought was a good move turned out to be a very bad move.

These doctors think they are playing "God" in trying to change a person's sex.
The obvious problem is, sex is not changed by any of these surgeries. A man may get breast implants and have his penis removed, but that does not make him a woman. This is basic science.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:36 AM
 
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I was talking about the litigation but happy to discuss the other angle.

If you are talking medical as in mental health yes.

The mental health professionals will make a recommendation and the surgeons will need to rely upon that diagnosis.

Other comments not-withstanding but in cases like these they just "sue everybody". Surgeon is likely only liable if the mental diagnosis was so poorly done that they should have known.
I guess you didn't read the link?

She's suing the mental health counselor and the social worker along with the trans medical centers where they work. The surgeons have not been named.

She's targeting the ones who made the "diagnosis"
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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These stories are always a bit sketchy to invest any real thought on because we can only get one side of the story.

The medical people will not discuss in public THEIR version of the story because of privacy issues with discussion health.

This person has a long history of mental health issues, if in fact they overlooked her ability to rationally process information, it is a concern.

But this isn't indicative of anything. It's a one of story where we know little of the facts -- just the side of the person/lawyer suing.

If it is as she states, then yes it is cause for concern...but we don't know what the reality is.

Let's see how the case plays out.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:40 AM
 
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False.

Read the article and understand what happened.

If a doctor takes your leg off because you have XYZ diagnosis, and then it's determined you never had XYZ that's on the doctor for making a wrong diagnosis and chopping off your leg.
In this case, what exactly did they think she had that removing her breasts would solve. From my reading of the article the surgery was her decision.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:44 AM
 
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In this case, what exactly did they think she had that removing her breasts would solve. From my reading of the article the surgery was her decision.
Are you saying the surgery was cosmetic?

Or was it recommended and approved by healthcare professionals?

Why did she need approval from a therapist and a social worker to get the surgery?

A good way to think about this is a nose job: Some people get nose jobs for medical reasons, others for cosmetic reasons.

If someone wants a nose job for cosmetic reasons, do they need to get mental heath counseling and see a social worker to get a recommendation/approval for the surgery?
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:46 AM
 
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Are you saying the surgery was cosmetic?

Or was it recommended and approved by healthcare professionals?

Why did she need approval from a therapist and a social worker to get the surgery?

A good way to think about this is a nose job: Some people get nose jobs for medical reasons, others for cosmetic reasons.

If someone wants a nose job for cosmetic reasons, do they need to get mental heath counseling and see a social worker to get a recommendation/approval for the surgery?
yes, it was approved. ALL surgeries have to be approved. The final decision was hers though.
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