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Old 11-13-2022, 05:47 PM
 
Location: New York City
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It happens in America too. Medical treatment is often denied to the poor and they are allowed to die. No one cares.
Preventative treatment yes, but emergency treatment no. There is no place in America where you can deny life saving treatment at a hospital. They will treat them and send them the bill, the poor don't pay that bill and the cost gets passed along mainly to middle / lower-middle class people with no insurance but enough money or assets to cover the bill
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Old 11-13-2022, 06:24 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Problem is we were playing that roll even before WW2 to a lesser degree;. We were part of putting reparations on Germany with the Treaty of Versailles that led to WW2 as well as sanctions on Japan to the point they struck back with the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
The US was part of reparations on Germany but the US never signed the Treaty of Versailles. Wilson was against treating Germany and the Central Powers harshly, but favored the League of Nations. We imposed an oil embargo on Japan because of their refusal to evacuate all of China without conditions.

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FDR was itching to get the US involved.
Do you think FDR possibly thought US involvement in the war against Germany and Japan was inevitable?
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Old 11-14-2022, 02:54 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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The US was part of reparations on Germany but the US never signed the Treaty of Versailles. Wilson was against treating Germany and the Central Powers harshly, but favored the League of Nations. We imposed an oil embargo on Japan because of their refusal to evacuate all of China without conditions.



Do you think FDR possibly thought US involvement in the war against Germany and Japan was inevitable?
The French were the only ones out for revenge in relation to the Treaty of Versailles.

Britain only wanted to limit the size of the German Navy and seek only reparation that would not cripple the German economy, so that Germany would remain a viable economic power and trading partner.

Treaty of Versailles - British Aims - Wikipedia

Famous British economist John Maynard Keynes declared the treaty too harsh—a "Carthaginian peace"—and said the reparations were excessive and counter-productive, whilst French Marshal Ferdinand Foch, criticized the treaty for treating Germany too leniently.

There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded in WW1. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians. The Entente Powers (also known as the Allies) lost about 5.7 million soldiers while the Central Powers lost about 4 million.

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Old 11-14-2022, 07:05 AM
 
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Preventative treatment yes, but emergency treatment no. There is no place in America where you can deny life saving treatment at a hospital. They will treat them and send them the bill, the poor don't pay that bill and the cost gets passed along mainly to middle / lower-middle class people with no insurance but enough money or assets to cover the bill
Not true. I was denied life saving treatment by the local hospital many times. I am only alive because someone got me to another hospital out of town. The last time I was denied I almost died because the inflammation had swelled my insides shut. Someone drove me to UK hospital and I spent a week in the hospital. They were stunned that another hospital had turned someone away in my condition and didn't believe me until I showed them the discharge papers.
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Old 11-14-2022, 07:57 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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The French were the only ones out for revenge in relation to the Treaty of Versailles.

Britain only wanted to limit the size of the German Navy and seek only reparation that would not cripple the German economy, so that Germany would remain a viable economic power and trading partner.

Treaty of Versailles - British Aims - Wikipedia

Famous British economist John Maynard Keynes declared the treaty too harsh—a "Carthaginian peace"—and said the reparations were excessive and counter-productive, whilst French Marshal Ferdinand Foch, criticized the treaty for treating Germany too leniently.

There were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded in WW1. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians. The Entente Powers (also known as the Allies) lost about 5.7 million soldiers while the Central Powers lost about 4 million.
Good points!
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Old 11-14-2022, 08:45 AM
 
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The US was part of reparations on Germany but the US never signed the Treaty of Versailles. Wilson was against treating Germany and the Central Powers harshly, but favored the League of Nations. We imposed an oil embargo on Japan because of their refusal to evacuate all of China without conditions.

Do you think FDR possibly thought US involvement in the war against Germany and Japan was inevitable?

The question I think is was FDR really trying to get Japan to back off their aggression or simply pushing their buttons so they would eventually attack us.
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Old 11-14-2022, 10:05 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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The question I think is was FDR really trying to get Japan to back off their aggression or simply pushing their buttons so they would eventually attack us.
I've read most of the books on Pearl Harbor. I don't think anyone in the US military or government seriously thought Pearl Harbor would be attacked. The US was not ready to go to war with anyone in 1941. At most, FDR thought the Japanese might attack the Philippines. This has been studied since the attack and there is no evidence FDR was pushing the buttons of the Japanese to attack.

It was a different world in 1941. The British still had the strongest navy in the world.
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Old 11-14-2022, 10:24 AM
 
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He got elected and re-elected time after time because of people who vote straight "D" no questions asked. You know that, too. And, yes, in some states politicians get re-elected due to having an "R" next to their names.
The Chamber of Commerce and half the corporate lawyers in the country would have gotten rid of him in a minute had he been anti corporate. R, D makes no difference in the business world.
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Old 11-14-2022, 12:25 PM
 
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They already are and have bad socialism in those places. Not near China communism dictatorship bad, but its not good and extreme high taxes and regulations, and wealth redistributions even among middle income earners if they happen to own their things outright with 0 debt at a young age, and insanely high gas prices and such.
There's no such thing as "good" socialism. The term "bad" before socialism is redundant. Socialism is by definition bad.
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Old 11-14-2022, 12:27 PM
 
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He got elected and re-elected time after time because of people who vote straight "D" no questions asked. You know that, too. And, yes, in some states politicians get re-elected due to having an "R" next to their names.
Graham......we can do better.
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