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Old 11-10-2022, 09:58 PM
 
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They both have never experienced the Freedoms and Rights we have here in the US.

They are going full blown Socialist and are about 3 steps ahead of the US. The US has enough people like Libertarians and Republicans that want small Govt.

The world changed when trump became President. He showed us how corrupt the Govts and the Press are. One of the reasons even Corrupt Republicans don't like Trump.

We are the frog and they are the hot water. We better keep fighting to stay out of the pot.
I've lived in cAnada nd the USA and have a very different perception from you.

Funny how that is.

And as for Trump showing us who was corrupt --yes I learned Russia, North Korra worthy friends and ally.....our long standing allies not good.....we have to bully them to do what we want.

So yeah Trump taught me lots.

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Old 11-10-2022, 10:06 PM
 
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As states pass legislation banning certain subjects in schools you all seem to think freedom of speech means being allowed to say what you want but nobody else can say anything to contradict it.
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Old 11-10-2022, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Define “destroyed.” The constant, annoying nagging and senseless whining is leading us down the path of division and destruction. Tell you what. Put these worthless people on mute for 6 months and watch how America improves as we are not at each other’s throats nearly as much as when these ding dongs are on full blast mode.
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Old 11-10-2022, 10:20 PM
 
Location: California
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Some parts of Canada and Europe and the USA have already been destroyed.
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Old 11-10-2022, 10:22 PM
 
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As states pass legislation banning certain subjects in schools you all seem to think freedom of speech means being allowed to say what you want but nobody else can say anything to contradict it.
Presumably you are referring to states banning false and scientific falsehoods about a man being able to become a woman and vice versa? Schools should be teaching science, math, history, English, a foreign language, etc not nonsense.

A man that has breast implants and has his penis removed is still a man. If an adult wants to do that to themselves I have no problem with it, but there is no reason to discuss odd fetishes in elementary schools. I am not sure why it even needs to be discussed in high school.
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Old 11-10-2022, 10:28 PM
 
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The op should move to Canada or Europe then report how great it is to live there
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Old 11-10-2022, 11:04 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Now to show how there is a back door long term insurrection by the far left happening in America. There are several aspects to this, several key points for them control and succeed and they don't need the majority of the people to do so.

1 Education. Indoctrinating youth is paramount to Marxism. To do so means having control to shape youths minds and separate youths loyalty away from family and religion so they will be loyal first and foremost to the state. The teachers unions, much of the universities along with the leftist portion of the Democratic party have a stranglehold on the education system. "Equity " and "social justice" (both being Marxist slogans) have become the main goals in many schools, in some terms it is called "woke". But woke is just a cover version for true intent, and the intent is to indoctrinate the youth .Now that parents are finding all this out we are seeing a backlash from parents, and the teachers unions along with the leftists in government became hostile toward the parents in turn because the left know that if they loose control to indoctrinate they loose the future. The climate change thing is another aspect of this, think it is no coincidence that Greta Thunberg is calling to end capitalism in the name of fighting climate change?

2 "Equity " and "social justice". We have heard those terms a lot in the last few years by the left. Another aspect for Marxists to succeed is to convince a portion of society that they are oppressed and convince said people who the oppressor is with the Marxists promising to rectify it all. We see racial and LGBTQ being the main example of this, BLM and critical race theory, the leftist school system along with politicians are teaching people they are victims and they the left are the solution. There is a difference between equality and equity, the civil rights movement we know from history was based on equality, but equity is based on Marxism where everybody must be the same, nobody less, nobody more all outcomes must end the same. But in order to achieve that some must be held back, because it's easier to lower standards than to raise them and low and behold what have the left done recently? lower education and graduation standards for kids of color in the name of equity.

3 Control speech and information and news media. Already mentioned the left's push to use government to control speech and information. Everyone knows that all Marxist regimes have always done this because it is vital for their power. It isn't the Republicans or center or liberal Democrats calling for the DHS to censor speech or control social media, it isn't the Republicans or center or liberal Democrats that want echo chambers of approved points of view, but the fat left sure do.

4 Borders. Or in this case lack of them. This where the globalists come in, which for the most part are the current far left. Noe particular loyalty to country, only loyalty to the system which is a form of global Marxism. With Marxism people don't really matter they are pawns for the overall picture, lack of borders, lack of nationalism means moving people around and implementing "equity" on a global new world order scale.

5 Control the police. Don't even have to get into the fact that the far left hate the 2nd amendment. Any way for people to resist them cannot be tolerated. The defund police, they aren't anti police really, they just want control of police on a federal level and at a local level they know they can't. Just look at Venezuela or Cuba, confiscate the guns and only give them to the loyal foot soldiers be they street criminal s, local militia (antifa) and the military. The far left don't control the military yet but they are working on it with CRT and such.

6 Disband the past rewrite the history. The BLM protests?, look how it morphed into "white people this white people that" , then the statues got torn down, then constitutional law was replaced with "social justice" in education, then trigger warnings of "offensive language" was placed on the constitution, then the founders being they were white men where erased, and the narrative taught that the U.S.A is a fundamentally wrong nation and irredeemable because of the history of slavery and segregation trying create the narrative that is just as unjust now as it was then. The thing is, the constitution and the bill of rights are incompatible with Marxism, Marxism is about control by the government, the government the founders created was about preventing authoritarian control from government. Which why what I said above , it is all about discrediting the founders greatest creation, the constitution. I posted several times the video of students signing a petition to abolish the constitution and they gave all the current leftist talking points why

7 Control the money. Do I need to get deep into that proving the far left seek that? But I will remind that Biden's nominee for comptroller for the treasury was a communist who said the government should take control over banking to better disperse as they see fit for instance to fight climate change.

OH BTW all this talk about "democracy" and "democracy is at risk" the democrats say. Or the fact that the left want to end the electoral college and stack the courts and have direct democracy? Venezuela once had a constitution similar to ours that limited government Chavez convinced the people to have a direct democracy vote (will of the people) to give him reform to rewrite and edit the constitution and from that he stacked the courts, routed out any opposition , and became a dictator. There is a current poll out there that says 30% of American democrats no longer view the constitution as viable

So I dunno you tell me?
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Old 11-10-2022, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Some parts of Canada and Europe and the USA have already been destroyed.
Correct. Clearly the OP hasn't been to the Balkans or Eastern Europe, or inner city Baltimore/Detroit/Chicacago.

Some parts have been destroyed a long time ago.
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Old 11-11-2022, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Habsburg Lands of Old
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I am not a fan of leftwing politics. I believe in limited government and American freedoms. However there is a chorus on here from MAGA's and others outside of CD that the left is so dangerous we will end up destroyed or a banana republic or full blown socialist if the left has their way.

However the left is in power in Europe. Scandinavia is very left wing. Canada is also. Yet they are not destroyed. I don't want us to be like them. With socialized health care, high taxes and less freedoms. But if the left did win here we would be more likely like Scandinavia not Venezuela. Norway or Canada has not dismantled capitalism and implemented Socialism. Why would it be any different here?

Does anyone on here really believe the rhetoric of someone like Mark Levin?

'America is being destroyed' by the Democratic Party: Mark Levin

"America is being destroyed. If you want to destroy America, then you vote Democrat because the Democrat Party has been unmasked. Its policies and programs are delusional and destructive, and they are dismantling the most fabulous nation on earth right before your eyes," Levin told viewers.

Levin said the party has banded together in a concerted effort to destroy capitalism and implement a socialist economy.

Left wing and right wing mean different things on a country by country basis , which is why it's incorrect to use the American understanding of said terms in reference to the political spectrum that exists in foreign countries .

That said the fact of the matter is that in certain aspects , certain European countries can be said to be much more " right wing " than the United States , as demonstrated by these examples :

1. Andorra has a much lower rate of taxation in general than the USA :
https://immigrantinvest.com/blog/andorra-taxes-en/

2. Poland has much stricter abortion laws ( at the national level to boot ) than the USA .


3. In spite of overall having much stricter gun laws , Croatia doesn't have a law which states that one is barred for life from buying/owning/possessing firearms after committing their equivalent of a felony level offense , whereas the " felons can't own firearms " law very much applies in the States .

It's also worth a mention that in Croatia ( if not all Balkan countries in general ) the maximum penalty for firearms offenses is no more than a few months in jail , i.e. you can literally be caught hoarding a garage full of AK's and only get sentenced to two months in jail , which is part of the reason as to why illegal firearms ownership/possession is so widespread in that corner of the world .

Moving on the truth is that socialism in the proper sense of the term , that is an ideology advocating for an economy based on public/common ownership as opposed to Bernie Sanders style " everyone gets to attend college for free " style socialism , has been in decline throughout the Western world for quite some time now .

It's no accident after all that the biggest advocates of otherwise partially Marxist inspired contemporary left wing politics so willingly team up with giant corporations , since most present day left wingers aren't actually socialists , but social liberals who sometimes refer to their " welfare state " type economic policy as being socialism due to a combination of wanting to seem original/being ignorant of what socialism actually means .

As for the question of why countries that can be said to be more " left wing " than the United States in certain aspects haven't been destroyed yet , I'd say that the short answer is that it takes quite a while to destroy any mighty civilization , which these countries also happen to belong to just like the United States .


That said I must remark that your use of the word yet has been most appropriate OP , since if things keep on going on the way they have been since the post WW2 era , then all three places ( namely Canada/Europe/the USA ) will end up being destroyed IMHO .

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Old 11-11-2022, 04:21 AM
 
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I am not a fan of leftwing politics. I believe in limited government and American freedoms. However there is a chorus on here from MAGA's and others outside of CD that the left is so dangerous we will end up destroyed or a banana republic or full blown socialist if the left has their way.

However the left is in power in Europe. Scandinavia is very left wing. Canada is also. Yet they are not destroyed. I don't want us to be like them. With socialized health care, high taxes and less freedoms. But if the left did win here we would be more likely like Scandinavia not Venezuela. Norway or Canada has not dismantled capitalism and implemented Socialism. Why would it be any different here?

Does anyone on here really believe the rhetoric of someone like Mark Levin?

'America is being destroyed' by the Democratic Party: Mark Levin

"America is being destroyed. If you want to destroy America, then you vote Democrat because the Democrat Party has been unmasked. Its policies and programs are delusional and destructive, and they are dismantling the most fabulous nation on earth right before your eyes," Levin told viewers.

Levin said the party has banded together in a concerted effort to destroy capitalism and implement a socialist economy.

If you cannot even recognize the destruction taking place in your own country, why should anyone to expect you to have an accurate view of what is transpiring anywhere else in the world?
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