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Old 11-10-2022, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I think the reason a "big deal" is made about the popular vote in Presidential elections, is popular vote isn't required to win. We've seen where a candidate can significantly win the popular vote and still not win the election.

Winning the "popular vote" for a congressional seat is completely transparent. The guy who gets the most votes wins.

You look at the numbers, yep, that's how many folks voted for that guy.

You look at electoral college numbers, and you can't know how many people voted for him/her.

You are conflating the popular vote within a district or state with the popular vote of the entire country.

The United States is a creation of the states and subordinate to the states.

Electing a president, or taking any other action, based on the national popular vote would make the states collectively subordinate.
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Old 11-10-2022, 07:07 PM
 
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No one can have their cake and eat it to.
I for many years have pointed out there is no such thing as the mythical popular vote. Frankly, thank Christ (not that He or the Father) gets involved in local political issues, as it is not part of our founding principles.

Even if it is some type of barometer of public sentiment, we are not a full-blown democracy, never have been.
As many will know reading this, our Founding Fathers feared a full-on democracy, based on their vast knowledge and experience seeing what such a system produced.

So OP, please do not fall into the trap the leftists have created, extoling the supposed virtues of a so called "popular vote" in our constitutional republic.

It does not, nor has ever existed.
Nope, it exists because of slavery and the 3/5th compromise.

"At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.” In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count."


The small state vs big state myth is the cleaned up version they teach in elementary school.

Time - The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists

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Old 11-10-2022, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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I feel voters were torn in different directions this election. I'd love to see national data on school board races. I think a large majority of voters are against abortion bans but also against groomer teachers. I know men can't have babies. I also know 18 year olds with mental illness shouldn't be buying AR 15 weapons without a background check.



13 year olds should not be taking puberty blockers or having any surgical procedures either, much less anyone under age 18. Most people are moderates. The problem is they don't participate in elections the way is required, so we have nutties on the right who want to ban pot and abortion, and nutties on the left that want to let in millions of immigrants and give them all gender changes.
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Old 11-10-2022, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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neither one of them mean anything.
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Old 11-10-2022, 07:11 PM
 
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Mostly because it's an irrelevant statistic. Congressional races aren't national races.
No. It is not irrelevant.

It is a good gauge of party strength.

Every 2 years, every American that votes, votes for exactly 1 congress member.

More Americans voted for a Republican congress member in 2022 than Democrats.

It also undermines Democrat-MSM propaganda that only Republicans gerrymander and it is only harming dems, because Republicans have been getting more votes most of the time in recent elections for congressional control.
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Old 11-10-2022, 07:12 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Never have agreed with mob rule. Each state should have one vote.
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Old 11-10-2022, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Nope, it exists because of slavery and the 3/5th compromise.

"At the Philadelphia convention, the visionary Pennsylvanian James Wilson proposed direct national election of the president. But the savvy Virginian James Madison responded that such a system would prove unacceptable to the South: “The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [i.e., extensive] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes.”

In other words, in a direct election system, the North would outnumber the South, whose many slaves (more than half a million in all) of course could not vote. But the Electoral College—a prototype of which Madison proposed in this same speech—instead let each southern state count its slaves, albeit with a two-fifths discount, in computing its share of the overall count."

The small state vs big state myth is the cleaned up version they teach in elementary school.

Time - The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
This needs to be repeated, and repeated, and repeated, until people truly understand what an anachronism - and DETRIMENT to the future of this country - the Electoral College represents. The nation is becoming more divided with every election because the voice of the majority is not represented and/or suppressed..
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Old 11-10-2022, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Every EC president we have had in my lifetime (80 y/o) has been a disaster. Bush/Cheney set the world on fire with the Iraq War creating subsequent wars and conflicts resulting in destabilizing massive diasporas and migrant issues worldwide TO THIS DAY where none existed previously, Trump with his name-calling, bullying, nasty divisive rhetoric and baseless, evidence-free election denying has divided the country and undermined the faith of our elections.

It's long past time to do away with the Electoral College.

The people really do know best, not minority party power-grabbing idealogues seeking to hang on to and exercise a power over the majority of the people through ridiculous gerrymandering, packed courts, and voter suppression.
Quite a few Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including John Kerry, Pres. Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Do away with the Electoral College? Which would mean the most populous 5 or 6 states would decide a presidential election? Terrible idea.
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Old 11-10-2022, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Quite a few Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including John Kerry, Pres. Biden and Hillary Clinton.

Do away with the Electoral College? Which would mean the most populous 5 or 6 states would decide a presidential election? Terrible idea.
The states would not decide the election, every single person who votes would count the same.
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Old 11-10-2022, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Quite a few Democrats voted for the Iraq war, including John Kerry, Pres. Biden and Hillary Clinton.
Based on false information. The point is, Gore - elected by the popular vote - would not have entertained the idea of war in Iraq. Iraq was a Cheney set-up. And, look at the world today because of it. Everyone is angry - in Europe and the US - because they've been invaded by displaced refugees whose cultures are 180 degrees different - all as a result of the destabilization/destruction of their societies begun by that war. There's no assimilation, only anger and resentment - not to mention a huge humanitarian crisis. The Iraq War is why we have r-wing nuts today - everywhere - Europe and the US.
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