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Old 11-14-2022, 06:36 AM
 
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What would it take for the MAGA party to get on the ballot on all states?
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Old 11-14-2022, 07:46 AM
 
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Because Trump's grifting, lying to investors, cheating subcontractors, evading taxes and repeatedly declaring bankruptcy counts as "experience in the big world" eh? I guess it tells you that he's good as a con artist, including conning millions of gullible voters of his act.

DeSantis at least was a commissioned JAG officer and got into Yale and Harvard on his own merit, not his daddy's donations. Way more gravitas than Trump could ever muster standing there pouting like a retard amongst world leaders. World renown Putin lackey is more like it.
You have no proof of most of what you said about Trump! His policies were pro-American though and that is a rare thing among politicians these days.
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Old 11-14-2022, 07:59 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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This type of thread is the reason that Desantis should just sidestep Trump and let him fall. He should also not endorse Trump or say anything against him. He is best off just ignoring Trump altogether. He has a good thing going in Florida. Stay another 4 years there and cement Florida.
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Old 11-14-2022, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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I wish Trump would just understand he has set the foundation for the new republican party but HE can't be the standard bearer, DeSantis IS the standard bearer now. He can win the suburbs and women etc. I understand Trump's anger at being cheated in 2020 but he HAS to eventually understand that this is all bigger than him.

You can't get posters here to realize this, you'll never get him to realize this. Because of this, I expect democrats to re-take everything in 2024. These Trump die hards are going to destroy the right's chances. Don't say I didn't warn you, and don't whine when it happens. If you'd rather have democrats in power than "RINOS" fine, more power to you. Trump will NOT win in 2024. It's not going to happen, for the reasons I've already brought up, unless he happens to surprise me by saying he'll re-legalize abortion and marijuana his first 100 days, truly runs like a moderate, and tones down his bullying demeanor. He won't do this. His policies were fine for the most part, but he can't win the PR war against a democrat media machine spinning narratives when he's constantly acting like a bully. Democrats act like bullies, but democrats give their own free passes for things.


Desantis is the better politician. He took Florida by a huge margin. It doesn't matter if his policies are further to the right. He's a populist candidate. He's a better tactician, gets things done, and knows how to hold a civil conversation which is needed going up against this big leftist propaganda machine. Anti-lockdown candidates are getting lots of votes. Republicans should focus on this in 2024, NOT abortion banning. They could create a red wave if they finally embraced legal marijuana also and really were the "party of freedom." The votes this midterm should make it clear people want a politician that doesn't micro-manage their lives. They want freedom.

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Old 11-14-2022, 08:59 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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You can't get posters here to realize this, you'll never get him to realize this. Because of this, I expect democrats to re-take everything in 2024. These Trump die hards are going to destroy the right's chances. Don't say I didn't warn you, and don't whine when it happens. If you'd rather have democrats in power than "RINOS" fine, more power to you. Trump will NOT win in 2024. It's not going to happen, for the reasons I've already brought up, unless he happens to surprise me by saying he'll re-legalize abortion and marijuana his first 100 days, truly runs like a moderate, and tones down his bullying demeanor. He won't do this. His policies were fine for the most part, but he can't win the PR war against a democrat media machine spinning narratives when he's constantly acting like a bully. Democrats act like bullies, but democrats give their own free passes for things.


Desantis is the better politician. He took Florida by a huge margin. It doesn't matter if his policies are further to the right. He's a populist candidate. He's a better tactician, gets things done, and knows how to hold a civil conversation which is needed going up against this big leftist propaganda machine. Anti-lockdown candidates are getting lots of votes. Republicans should focus on this in 2024, NOT abortion banning. They could create a red wave if they finally embraced legal marijuana also and really were the "party of freedom." The votes this midterm should make it clear people want a politician that doesn't micro-manage their lives. They want freedom.
I agree on what you are saying about focusing on issues with a broader appeal. But they won't and that is the reason a human vegetable could run and beat them. I think Desantis can't win either because his main ability would be to articulate eloquently the issues which aren't popular. Which is why he should see how things go and where the land lays. The GOP needs a complete rebranding. Desantis is a bit different but he is still a pota5o chip out of the same stale bag of a flavor that doesn't sell well.
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Old 11-14-2022, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Who knows what he'll do, he's manic and apparently quite insecure.
First he trashes DeSantis for no good reason, then Youngkin. "Sounds Chinese." Really? Adolescent much?
I wouldn't have thought that in 1000 years.
He's doing the dems' work for them.
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Old 11-14-2022, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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You have no proof of most of what you said about Trump! His policies were pro-American though and that is a rare thing among politicians these days.
What exactly do you mean by pro American? His trade war with China which helped prices soar after the pandemic? True. Trump couldn't perceive what was coming, but, his lies cost tens of thousands of lives. You okay with that?

Trump did a great job renegotiating NAFTA. He deserves credit for that.

Is being the great divider pro American? Pew Research started a research program into how divided America was between Democrats and Republican's. In 1994 the divide was 15 points. In 2017 it was 36 points. Trump did a great job capitalizing on that and magnifying it. What he didn't count on was that mentality isolated a whole lot of voters who aren't satisfied with either side. Pointing finger and spewing hate towards someone who is different, or desperate is ugly and really brings out the worst in people. My neighbor is one of the super haters. We will never be friends again and that's sad after a 30 year relationship. She has been radicalized and poisoned. Is that good for America?
Magnifying the myth that education is bad rose from 37% in 2015 to 58% among Republican's in 2017. Being uneducated and stuck in dead end jobs is good for America?

Not being able to agree on basic facts like the election wasn't stolen is good for America?

The media is the enemy of the people unless it's FOX and other right wing media is good for America?

Disinformation, conspiracy theories, lies all good for America?

Fear mongering that the left will destroy democracy and we will be a socialist country is good for America?

Inciting the lunatic fringe on January 6th was good for America?

Feeding the white supremacists and creating a bigger divide between us and them is good for America?

Sure Trump did some good, but the bad far outweighs the good, and fortunately, the vast amount of American's saw that and kicked him to the curb.
(Want to tell me to stick it again? It's okay. I understand how difficult it must be for you to constantly fight facts with feelings. It's just not tenable. It must be awful to be that frustrated.)
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Old 11-14-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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I don't really get the impression that DeSantis can inspire people the way Trump has done.
Me neither. DeSantis reminds me of something more like a Ted Cruz in that regard.

Trump has the gift of gab, like a polished used car salesman. It makes sense with his decades of hawking products and selling condos.
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Old 11-14-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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Who knows what he'll do, he's manic and apparently quite insecure.
First he trashes DeSantis for no good reason, then Youngkin. "Sounds Chinese." Really? Adolescent much?
I wouldn't have thought that in 1000 years.
He's doing the dems' work for them.

He doesn't know when to shut his mouth, which has always been his biggest problem. Talk is cheap, but modern western culture obsesses over talk over actions. Talk can be recorded and played back forever via social media. The more he opens his mouth, the more ammunition he gives to the left. He is out for himself, not for democrats, not for republicans.


I mean, what is he going to gain criticizing these politicians?
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Old 11-14-2022, 10:02 AM
 
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I agree on what you are saying about focusing on issues with a broader appeal. But they won't and that is the reason a human vegetable could run and beat them. I think Desantis can't win either because his main ability would be to articulate eloquently the issues which aren't popular. Which is why he should see how things go and where the land lays. The GOP needs a complete rebranding. Desantis is a bit different but he is still a pota5o chip out of the same stale bag of a flavor that doesn't sell well.
So in other words the Republicans should turn into Democrats and embrace their policies? Wouldn't that mean that we would have no other choices?
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