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Old 11-13-2022, 09:41 PM
 
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For the first time ever they’re going to have to actually legislate abortion rights. The hard line ban no mater what is not going to be a winner going forward. Good luck. Things aren’t “black and white.” ESP in day to day life. Republicans have been running on black or white my entire life. They’re gonna have to get used to nuance. Like I said, good luck.

They’ll probably just double down to the next demagogue and claim an imaginary enemy and have a go at it. With no solutions to actual problems.

“Obama care” polls somewhere 60-70% positive today. R’s ran a decade on trying to overturn it with no replacement. R’s have been on the wrong side of history since 2001. 2020 was more of the same.

 
Old 11-13-2022, 09:51 PM
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Nobody can redeem themselves. Who won this election? Russia because President Trump was the only person who strengthened our country by making us energy independent, China because President Trump's policies brought industry and jobs back to our country, socialism, because President Biden bought votes using hard earned money paid by those who actually pay taxes, other countries because President Biden stopped making other countries pay their fair share and Biden's policies make our country weak, corrupt and immoral and criminals because our justice system is unfair.

Who needs to be redeemed? Everybody. That will be the only way to save this sinful nation.
 
Old 11-13-2022, 10:00 PM
 
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“Obama care” polls somewhere 60-70% positive today. R’s ran a decade on trying to overturn it with no replacement. R’s have been on the wrong side of history since 2001. 2020 was more of the same.
I do think Republicans were on the wrong side of the issue.
Obamacare is necessary and I would vote to expand it.
A lot of Republicans are adamant pro-lifers and while being adamantly against Obamacare.
Ironically, I know more than one hard core Republican that quietly uses Obamacare, despite railing against it...of course they excuse themselves through some convoluted logic. Even if I don't vote for many democrats, modern day Republicans are worse.
 
Old 11-13-2022, 10:08 PM
 
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Nobody can redeem themselves. Who won this election? Russia because President Trump was the only person who strengthened our country by making us energy independent, China because President Trump's policies brought industry and jobs back to our country, socialism, because President Biden bought votes using hard earned money paid by those who actually pay taxes, other countries because President Biden stopped making other countries pay their fair share and Biden's policies make our country weak, corrupt and immoral and criminals because our justice system is unfair.

Who needs to be redeemed? Everybody. That will be the only way to save this sinful nation.
What industries did Trump bring back and how did he make us energy independent
 
Old 11-13-2022, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It should be pretty obvious to every Republican that associating themselves with Trump was a lousy idea. Given the state of the economy, inflation, diesel storage, it should have been a hands down sweeping victory for the Republican party, but it wasn't. The Abortion issue didn't help, but I think they could have overcome it without the Stain of Trump on the party. While Republicans are starting to criticize Trump, asking him to step aside for the good of the Republic Party, it's too little, too late. I do not predict a better outcome for the Republican Party in the 2024 election either. The only way to redeem themselves is to stop blocking the Democrats efforts to hold Trump accountable for the Jan. 6 Capital Attack, and join them. If Trump gets what he duly deserves, prison time for his part in the insurrection, not to mention his handling of classified documents, than Republicans would a clear path to Victory in 2024. Without it, it's going to be the same results as this election, because after all Trump does what's good for Trump, he doesn't care about America or the Republican Party, he's out for #1, Himself.
100% agree with this, but if republican voters agreed with those anti-Trump republicans they would have voted in those anti-Trump republicans who ran in the primary. I see no way of extracting Trump, and his Maga base without Trump breaking away with his "Patriot" party which would mean democrat victory for decades.

The likely scenario is Trump goes to Prison, and Republicans blame the democrats for his "political" arrest and they are able to retain the MAGA support. DeSantis is not much different then Trump moderates nationwide will reject him just like they did with Doctor OZ, and others. Republican leaders are too weak to face Trump they could have after the 2020 election yet they used their power in congress to attempt to overturn an election tells me they are just as lost to the dark side as Trump supporters are. 2024 will be a repeat of 2022 and 2028 will also be another failure for Republicans. If Trump does split the party it could damage the party so bad it will take years to recover much like after Hoover a Republican wasn't elected until 1950's.

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Old 11-13-2022, 11:16 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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It should be pretty obvious to every Republican that associating themselves with Trump was a lousy idea. Given the state of the economy, inflation, diesel storage, it should have been a hands down sweeping victory for the Republican party, but it wasn't. The Abortion issue didn't help, but I think they could have overcome it without the Stain of Trump on the party. While Republicans are starting to criticize Trump, asking him to step aside for the good of the Republic Party, it's too little, too late. I do not predict a better outcome for the Republican Party in the 2024 election either. The only way to redeem themselves is to stop blocking the Democrats efforts to hold Trump accountable for the Jan. 6 Capital Attack, and join them. If Trump gets what he duly deserves, prison time for his part in the insurrection, not to mention his handling of classified documents, than Republicans would a clear path to Victory in 2024. Without it, it's going to be the same results as this election, because after all Trump does what's good for Trump, he doesn't care about America or the Republican Party, he's out for #1, Himself.
Republicans need a 12-step program to come back to reality.
They, of course, live in denial. Trump is an addiction for many of them and they live in bubbles of denial to ward off cognitive dissonance. This forum is a crutch they use for false confirmation. It is like online dating -- looking for someone who shares their addiction.
 
Old 11-13-2022, 11:21 PM
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What industries did Trump bring back and how did he make us energy independent
Where have you been that you don't know that? Do your own research.
 
Old 11-13-2022, 11:22 PM
 
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Where have you been that you don't know that? Do your own research.
I did research and can’t find any. That’s why I asked.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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There's a lot of truth to this statement, about a 1/3 of the population vote straight ticket Republican, another 1/3 vote straight ticket Democrat. Doesn't matter if Hitler is running against Mother Teresa. One or the other will vote along there parties lines. It's the critical 1/3 undecided, independent, no party affiliation share of voters that decide the outcomes of elections. Politicians need to tread a careful tight rope, not **** off there political base, and not seem to radical or out of touch with views and positions the undecided voters have.
Exactly, but, the base on either side is not enough to get either candidate elected. It was the Independents that gave it to Trump in 2016 and took it away in 2020. It's also the Independents that fizzled the red wave this election cycle. We are unfortunately always left with a binary choice. This or that. If we were smart as a country, and we are not, we would drop this tribal crap. We should all unite as Independents. That would force both sides to compete with good candidates. Hershel Walker? Dr. Oz? Come on. Do better. Until we learn as a country that our vote controls the country, big business propaganda wins.
 
Old 11-14-2022, 09:45 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Republicans need a 12-step program to come back to reality.
They, of course, live in denial. Trump is an addiction for many of them and they live in bubbles of denial to ward off cognitive dissonance. This forum is a crutch they use for false confirmation. It is like online dating -- looking for someone who shares their addiction.
What does the 12 step program include? Is it something like this:

1. Accept that printing money we don't have doesn't cause inflation.

2. Accept that waging war on the energy industry doesn't cause high gas prices and energy shortages.

3. Accept that grade schoolers must be taught about sex, homosexual sex, and that there are 52 genders.
Along with this, accept that if a teenager wants to cut off his or her genitals, then society must honor that decision and pay for it if needed.

4. Accept that any pregnancy can be terminated at any time for any reason up until the point of birth, and sometimes afterwards in the case of a botched abortion.

5. Accept that the federal government should determine what information is factual, and when opinions are dangerous enough to be declared "disinformation" and censored.

6. Accept that the government (state or federal) has the total authority to dictate every detail of our lives during a public health "emergency" like COVID that only ends when government bureaucrats and Democrat politicians say it ends.

7. Accept that the federal agencies are authorized to actively work on behalf of one political party. This includes the FBI, IRS, DOJ, NIH, CDC, and the EPA.

8. Accept that Democrats are always right, and Republicans are always wrong.

9. Accept that asking any question about an election result is a "threat to democracy," punishable by investigation, criminal charges, and imprisonment, but only if Democrat wins are questioned.

10. Accept that political violence is acceptable so long as it is committed by BLM, Antifa, or other Democrat Party front groups (and that it is only committed because of right wing rhetoric). Also accept that political violence against conservatives and Republicans is acceptable and justified because they are "threats to democracy."

11. Accept that crime is caused by systemic racism and the police, not by Democrat policies like cashless bail, decriminalization, and releasing violent criminals from prison.

12. Accept that an open southern border is good for the country.
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