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Old 11-15-2022, 02:55 PM
 
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"Which US city is most likely to be the first "red city" with a big population?"

Before or after secession?

 
Old 11-15-2022, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Translation; Republicans don't give taxpayers money to other people.
However you want to look at it, the observation stands: large cities and Republican policies are highly incompatible.
 
Old 11-15-2022, 03:26 PM
 
Location: The Sunshine State of Mind
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Jacksonville, FL.

It's not your typical east coast big city. It doesn't have a huge downtown. It's more a collection of different neighborhoods. The countys' size is enormous, over 800 square miles total land mass.
 
Old 11-15-2022, 03:28 PM
 
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Every election we see it. Vast fields of rural red, with flecks of blue surrounding the big cities. For some reason big cities/major population clusters vote Democrat a lot.

But what if we could see the rise of a big city where people instead vote Republican? I mean with a population of at least 200,000. Maybe even 500,000. The OECD considers it a "medium-size urban area" if it's population is between 200,000 to 500,000. A "metropolitan area" if the population is between 500,000 and 1.5 million. I'm looking for numbers big enough to influence, say, a governor's race?

As of today I think all of the big cities vote blue. But over the coming years where do you think the first "big red city" will be? Maybe Florida? Maybe Ohio?
Most of metro New York City is surrounded by red. Look at Long Island, Staten Island and the Hudson River Valley.

 
Old 11-15-2022, 03:33 PM
 
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Birmingham and Montgomery Alabama and 2 cities if Florida are red
 
Old 11-15-2022, 03:37 PM
 
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It's dumb to just look at arbitrary city limits, the entire metropolitan area should be considered. There are a lot of purple, pink, light blue metros throughout the US.

There are very few DARK BLUE (Bay Area), or DARK RED (Miami )metros.
 
Old 11-15-2022, 03:55 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Translation; Republicans don't give taxpayers money to other people.
Sure they do. They're very big on corporate welfare, but also indiviudual welfare in agricultural welfare, NRCS and other Dept of the Interior welfare programs, and thats just for starters. If one looks at the net flow of tax dollars it shows rural areas are heavily subsidized, while urban areas produce the wealth.

https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uplo...Report-web.pdf

Overall it results in a heavy net flow of money from producing blue states to welfare red states. This flow is very similar within states. The money is produced in urban areas and distributed to more rural areas. Rural welfare.

There are near countless studies showing this same trend, decade after decade, by numerous think tanks and researchers.

But people in our country love to hold onto their narratives, so people keep thinking rural and more republican areas are more "self sufficient" when nothing could be further from the truth.
 
Old 11-15-2022, 03:59 PM
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Every election we see it. Vast fields of rural red, with flecks of blue surrounding the big cities. For some reason big cities/major population clusters vote Democrat a lot.

But what if we could see the rise of a big city where people instead vote Republican? I mean with a population of at least 200,000. Maybe even 500,000. The OECD considers it a "medium-size urban area" if it's population is between 200,000 to 500,000. A "metropolitan area" if the population is between 500,000 and 1.5 million. I'm looking for numbers big enough to influence, say, a governor's race?

As of today I think all of the big cities vote blue. But over the coming years where do you think the first "big red city" will be? Maybe Florida? Maybe Ohio?
Dallas used to be very Republican. But now it is almost as blue as Austin. Cincinnati has also shifted from Republican to Democratic.

As Hispanics shift, San Antonio may become Republican.
 
Old 11-15-2022, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Originally Posted by timberline742 View Post
Sure they do. They're very big on corporate welfare, but also indiviudual welfare in agricultural welfare, NRCS and other Dept of the Interior welfare programs, and thats just for starters. If one looks at the net flow of tax dollars it shows rural areas are heavily subsidized, while urban areas produce the wealth.

https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uplo...Report-web.pdf

Overall it results in a heavy net flow of money from producing blue states to welfare red states. This flow is very similar within states. The money is produced in urban areas and distributed to more rural areas. Rural welfare.

There are near countless studies showing this same trend, decade after decade, by numerous think tanks and researchers.

But people in our country love to hold onto their narratives, so people keep thinking rural and more republican areas are more "self sufficient" when nothing could be further from the truth.
Your post suggests you may not understand the difference between giving money away vs. making a financial investment in something that produces a return, hopefully greater than the initial amount invested.
 
Old 11-15-2022, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Colorado Springs, population somewhere around half a million. (Metro area about 750,000.)
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