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Old 11-16-2022, 03:09 PM
 
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Invasion? By people who want to make money and improve their lives, just like you would do in their tough situation?

We need to legalize immigration. That's the only solution to illegal immigration. Only deport the criminals, people who are harming anyone or causing problems. Everybody else, welcome them in, and hand them a work visa, figure out how to have them pay fair amount of taxes, and let's boost our economy together in friendship. We don't need to bring the snipers into this.
It doesn't matter what their purpose is it's an invasion since they snuck into our country without a visa. Surely you know this!

We already have a legal immigration process so WTH are you talking about? We can't allow everyone into our country legally who wants a job. We'd have billions crashing our border then.

They are all criminals unless you don't consider felony ID theft and tax evasion a crime! Should that be rewarded? Many of them were deported and came back and that's a felony to.

They are low waged earners so even if they paid income taxes it would never cover their social costs. Many of them have kids to so they wouldn't have a tax liability at the end of the year. We shouldn't be importing the poor, uneducated and unskilled we should only allow in immigrants with skills that we need and for jobs that pay a liveable wage. We also need to keep our population growth in check because our natural and social resources are being strained.

 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:17 PM
 
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Most of these suggestions have already been considered and deemed not legal. The courts said the kids can go to public school. They use the one anchor baby to get benefits. Who will watch a baby starve and be homeless.

I'm one who thinks anybody wanting in will get in, so walls might redirect and slow them down but will not stop them.

I'll add one more to your list, if I may. Require any supporter of unlimited immigration to watch Roy Beck's gumball video.
You're wrong about the good walls. Where they have been erected they have been 90% effective in deterring illegal entry. It needs to be finished for the extra 550 miles that is needed on the most porous areas of the border. It will not only stop most of them but they will have to try and enter at much more dangerous and difficult terrain so fewer will try and fewer will succeed. So making a blanket statement that it won't stop f them is inaccurate.

The courts are wrong on having to educate illegal alien kids and that needs to be addressed again. Birthright citizenship needs to be taken up by the SC to.

I thought all these illegals were working so how are their kids starving?
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:20 PM
 
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Deporting doesn’t matter as much with an open border as they just come right back.

We need to STOP THE MAGNETS that bring them here.

Penalize employers that hire illegals — no jobs
No schooling for illegal children
No welfare or freebies of any kind for illegals
Penalties for renting to or housing illegals.
Close the border with secure walls and increased border patrol

With these in place most illegals here will self-deport

At the same time we need to increase LEGAL immigration wherever it’s truly needed — ie agriculture, Comstruction, landscaping etc
I disagree with your last sentence. We already have unlimited visas for AG workers and we don't need immigrants for construction and landscaping. Illegal aliens have already taken those jobs by working for less and Americans need those jobs back.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:27 PM
 
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Invasion? By people who want to make money and improve their lives, just like you would do in their tough situation?

We need to legalize immigration. That's the only solution to illegal immigration. Only deport the criminals, people who are harming anyone or causing problems. Everybody else, welcome them in, and hand them a work visa, figure out how to have them pay fair amount of taxes, and let's boost our economy together in friendship. We don't need to bring the snipers into this.
You do know immigration is legalized, don't you. My wife and a fair number of my friends know that. If my mom were alive shed vouch for that.

There is a legal way in. And just like going to any checkout counter, bank teller or registering your car. There is a line. Get in it if you want to immigrate here.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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OMFG, there IS a process for people to follow to come to this country LEGALLY. So I’m not sure why you’re saying that we need to “legalize” immigration, as we already do! The problem, of course, is these people who can’t be bothered to follow the rules, and our Democrats who aid, encourage, and condone their actions.
Of course there's technically a process, but it's ridiculous, and limited. If it wasn't, then obviously most of them would be documented, and "legal", if it was easy as it should be. We need to just hand them a work visa if they're here to work, which is the usual case.

https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...-just-get-line

Again, particularly with Latin America and the violence situation in certain countries, you have to keep in mind their situation. A lot of the time, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We need a policy that reflects that, and expediates legal entry, until we get to the point that most entry is legal.

Illegal crossing is dangerous. I'm sure a lot fewer people would want to go through all that if there was an easier/safer/legal way for them to cross.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:28 PM
 
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And neither does Texas. Other states do, but not Texas. E-verify is not perfect but for the employers it's free and about as painless as it could possibly be. TX and CA do not require it for identical reasons. They have different attitudes and TX is more 1990s CA in that regard. They're pro illegals states. There's reasons for that, of course. After so many decades of being pro illegals it's hard to change. Reagan did the blanket amnesty for that reason. It was really supposed to be a three step process, blanket amnesty, immigration reform so the needed labor could come in legally, and border security such that they stopped walking across illegally. The second two parts never happened though so we're just back in 1986 again with a bunch of illegals, states like Texas and CA that want the illegals as their economies are dependent upon them, dysfunctional immigration policy, and illegals streaming over the borders to take the jobs American employers are eager to give them since they're mostly operating in states like TX and CA that are pro illegal.

Bussing a bunch of legal immigrants around the country as Abbott is doing has literally nothing to do with trying to stop illegal immigrants. They're here legally seeking asylum in our broken system. I don't think Abbott is going about it the best way but they do need to be moved form the border to the interior. There's just too many of them for Texas to handle and it's not Texas' fault it takes 3-4 years to get an amnesty hearing. That's a federal issue that Texas can't do anything about.
The problem lays with our asylum policies. We should not be allowing asylum seekers into our country until their cases can be verified since statistically 80% of them are making bogus claims. Also, they are supposed to seek refuge in the first country they pass through that offers it to them. What happened to that? Instead they venture on to the U.S. We are stupid suckers!
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:31 PM
 
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Invasion? By people who want to make money and improve their lives, just like you would do in their tough situation?

We need to legalize immigration. That's the only solution to illegal immigration. Only deport the criminals, people who are harming anyone or causing problems. Everybody else, welcome them in, and hand them a work visa, figure out how to have them pay fair amount of taxes, and let's boost our economy together in friendship. We don't need to bring the snipers into this.
What are you talking about?

We have legal immigration. via legal ports of entry.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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If it's a matter of fairness with taxes, then I could agree with that, but that should be able to be sorted out. Without the strenuously difficult process for people to come here by legal means.
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:42 PM
 
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Exactly, just like the War on Drugs didn't stop people from smoking crack on the corner, or dope in the dorm room.

Ladders are a thing. Tunnels are a thing. A wall is stupid, dystopian, anti-American, waste of time and money. You all could get rid of 90% of illegal immigration tonight, permanently, by making their peaceful actions legal. Quit the fear mongering nonsense and the general cultural/racial nativism, which is never what this country was supposed to be about. Focus on the bad apples if there's bad apples in the batch.
No one has successfully breached Trump's wall with a ladder nor by tunneling under it without getting caught by the Border Patrol. Educate yourself! Why do I get the feeling that you are a pro-illegal now THAT'S anti-American!

As I said, we don't need these people and allowing them to remain here would be rewarding them for violating our immigration laws. Americans need their jobs back and we need to alleviate the overcrowded conditions that they have imposed on our schools, jails, healthcare facilities, roads and neighborhoods. We tried amnesty back in 1986 and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegals here today.

What unwarranted fear mongering? We don't know who these illegals are and what their intentions are. Certainly stealing jobs, taxes and resources is one of them but there are also criminals and those from known terrorist countries that are coming here illegally.

There is nothing racist about wanting our immigration laws respected and enforced. Our culture should be protected from these illegal invaders. The more that come here the more our culture will change. Why would we or any other country in the world want that to happen via illegal immigration? It's neither lawful nor natural
 
Old 11-16-2022, 03:47 PM
 
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If it's a matter of fairness with taxes, then I could agree with that, but that should be able to be sorted out. Without the strenuously difficult process for people to come here by legal means.
We already allow in legal immigrants that we actually need for skilled jobs and that aren't going to replace Americans on their jobs and won't put a strain our natural and social resources and that number has been determined to be 1 million a year. Now that's sane legal immigration policy and anything else would not be! Why change sane policies to accommodate more foreigners that we don't need? You're not making any sense here! Is this our country or not?
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