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People are living longer thanks to science, yet the physical and mental limitations and ailments that come with aging are difficult for many of us. I have "DNR" posted every time I am in the hospital. We are kinder to our animals.
Congress can't decide whether to eliminate daylight savings time, they sure as hell aren't going to pass euthanasia laws.
IDK. If someone has unrelenting depression to the point that daily life is painful, I think they do have right to opt out of the painful life.
I had a friend with depression that committed suicide.
She'd tried a whole assortment of doctor-prescribed anti-depressants and still was really suffering.
Not the same as what’s available in Canada. I’ve struggled with depression since puberty and I’m 53. I was 42 when I found out I also had autism. This was discovered while receiving treatment for depression and PTSD from things I experienced in the military. The first step in depression is seeking help starting with counseling. I did counseling first. Medication was later added. After several months my wife said the medication didn’t seem to be working. Spoke with the doctor and medication was changed. Eventually found one that really helped. Still had the anxiety. Spoke with the doctor and another medication was added to help reduce the anxiety. Wife and coworkers have all said how much better I am. One should use all avenues available to get help before assisted suicide for depression. In the link I posted, a veteran called the Canadian veterans assistance office for depression and was immediately offered assisted suicide without him asking.
So, you are not capable of explaining the policies in your own country, yet seem to have opinions about what others post. This is becoming quite common when Canadians are posting here, you don't have any facts, just come to be critical and say people in the US are misinformed or don't understand what your country or prime minister is doing or trying to do.
Being a member here is a choice. If you are so triggered by the post, and are not willing to explain the error of other posts, well, I think you can figure out what you need to do.
"Canada’s extremely liberal euthanasia laws, which, next year, are set to be extended to include people suffering from mental health conditions and potentially minors, have been slammed for being reminiscent of the way the Nazis dealt with people with disabilities by a leading academic in the field."
"Canada’s euthanasia laws came into force in 2016 and resulted in around 10,000 deaths last year."
"Whereas in other countries where it is legal, euthanasia appears to be more siloed away from all other medical remediations and viewed as something altogether separate – in Canada, it appears to be more deliberately inserted into routine dialogue between doctors and their patients."
HARD PASS on supporting that!
My post was in response to the nonsense in a post that stated that Canada has an "Extremist Socialist government ." and not just on MAID.
Any fool can see that is just ridiculous, Canada is NOT socialist, extreme or otherwise.
It was also in response to the rest of the post "Staff 'encourage' people to sign agreements to be euthanasized by the hospital's decision. Sign it when you are in a fog of pain, and you've agreed to be euthanized and you or your family may not even realize when it's going to happen. You might be doing better, but if you've signed that consent form, they don't have to check you again or consider the idea of "First, do no harm." It requires a tedious court order to un-do the the agreement.
Hopefully there are a few honorable doctors and nurses who are outraged at Nazi-style eugenics applied in Canadian hospitals.
Justin Trudeau is a gaslit creep."
Absolute rubbish and like I said, shows this person has no idea how healthcare works in Canada. Hospitals are not under the control of Trudeau. Hospitals in Canada are either non-profit or private. Hospitals in Canada are free to offer MAID or not. Catholic hospitals as an example do not. Healthcare is run provincially, hospitals etc have their own boards, etc.
Now in regards to MAID, it does NOT require a court order to stop it. All it takes is the patient withdrawing consent at ANY time.
"Informed consent
To be eligible, you must provide informed consent to your practitioner. This means you have consented (given permission) to MAID after you have received all of the information you need to make your decision, including:
your medical diagnosis
available forms of treatment
available options to relieve suffering, including palliative care
You must be able to give informed consent both:
at the time of your request
immediately before MAID is provided unless special circumstances apply (see Waiver of Final Consent).
You can withdraw your consent at any time and in any manner."
So when I say a poster should do some research before posting nonsense this is what I mean. If the poster had looked up how who runs the hospitals, how they are funded, and what the rules on MAID are, they wouldn't have posted such a odd, but ridiculous post. Heck, it looks like not one one of you bothered to look it up, since only MightyQueen, used the term MAID.
it sounds like they were actively pushing it on him without him even bringing it up.
Quote:
The head of a group that supports Canadian veterans says he was horrified to hear medical assistance in dying was brought up with a veteran who reached out to Veterans Affairs Canada for help recently.
Officials with the federal department confirmed to CBC News that they have issued an apology directly to the veteran, and launched "a thorough internal investigation."
"It's just horrifying," said Scott Maxwell, executive director of Wounded Warriors Canada. "A, how is that veteran and the family doing? And then B, what's the impact this will have on other veterans who might be in a similar state, wanting to pick up a phone, calling an agent or a case manager to seek care?
My post was in response to the nonsense in a post that stated that Canada has a "Extremist Socialist government ." and not just on MAID.
Any fool can see that is just ridiculous, Canada is NOT socialist, extreme or otherwise.
It was also in response to the rest of the post "Staff 'encourage' people to sign agreements to be euthanasized by the hospital's decision. Sign it when you are in a fog of pain, and you've agreed to be euthanized and you or your family may not even realize when it's going to happen. You might be doing better, but if you've signed that consent form, they don't have to check you again or consider the idea of "First, do no harm." It requires a tedious court order to un-do the the agreement.
Hopefully there are a few honorable doctors and nurses who are outraged at Nazi-style eugenics applied in Canadian hospitals.
Justin Trudeau is a gaslit creep."
Absolute rubbish and like I said, shows this person has no idea how healthcare works in Canada. Hospitals are not under the control of Trudeau. Hospitals in Canada are either non-profit or private. Hospitals in Canada are free to offer MAID or not. Catholic hospitals as an example do not. Healthcare is run provincially, hospitals etc have their own boards, etc.
Now in regards to MAID, it does NOT require a court order to stop it. All it takes is the patient withdrawing consent at ANY time.
"Informed consent
To be eligible, you must provide informed consent to your practitioner. This means you have consented (given permission) to MAID after you have received all of the information you need to make your decision, including:
your medical diagnosis
available forms of treatment
available options to relieve suffering, including palliative care
You must be able to give informed consent both:
at the time of your request
immediately before MAID is provided unless special circumstances apply (see Waiver of Final Consent).
You can withdraw your consent at any time and in any manner."
So when I say a poster should do some research before posting nonsense this is what I mean. If the poster had looked up how who runs the hospitals, how they are funded, and what the rules on MAID are, they wouldn't have posted such a odd, but ridiculous post.
All of this. Citing this case as some kind of generalization of what is going on in Canada is ridiculous and ignores some very key concepts about the health care systemS in Canada.
But I will say, we've had this discussion about this one case at least twice already in the last two months. It will be the poster child of why conservatives say --we can't do THAT.
Of course not. The rest of Canada is not doing what happened with that one case in BC. I suspect BC will never do it again.
We don't know the details again about this case because of privacy laws. We know how the family feels and they have a right to express their concerns, go to court and raise the problem with this kind of case.
All of this. Citing this case as some kind of generalization of what is going on in Canada is ridiculous and ignores some very key concepts about the health care systemS in Canada.
But I will say, we've had this discussion about this one case at least twice already in the last two months. It will be the poster child of why conservatives say --we can't do THAT.
Of course not. The rest of Canada is not doing what happened with that one case in BC. I suspect BC will never do it again.
We don't know the details again about this case because of privacy laws. We know how the family feels and they have a right to express their concerns, go to court and raise the problem with this kind of case.
But we sxitll don't know.
As I posted in the Canadian section on this, these cases, if proven to be accurate, will bring out others..IF THEY EXIST.
One would think, that after having MAID 6 1/2 years, that if this were happening it would have been exposed by now.
The fact that this case is making news in Canada seems to me to show how uncommon this is. However I've yet to hear anyone say that they know someone who received MAID, because of pressure. There are a lot of safeguards in place.
Time will tell.
I'm afraid some seem to want this to be rampant, just to bolster their own concerns about MAID. I say wait until we have all the facts before jumping to conclusions.
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