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View Poll Results: What are your views on the Covid Vaccine?
I took the first Vaccine 18 9.23%
I took the first Vaccine and Boosters 75 38.46%
I did not take the Vaccine 79 40.51%
I took the Vaccine but regret it 23 11.79%
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Old 12-06-2022, 12:21 PM
 
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Got the first three doses, then had a mild case of covid over the summer. My doc recommends waiting 6 months past infection, so I won't consider the booster until after Jan/Feb.

 
Old 12-06-2022, 01:41 PM
 
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Dr Bauer says that video is a misrepresentation of what he was talking about by antivaxxer's.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-vaxxers-covid

"The original interview was about our research on the Pfizer vaccine, which found that the antibody levels it generates are not as good at neutralising the Delta variant than against the original Wuhan strain – a simple update on likely vaccine protection. But the widely shared versions of the video were often edited, or taken out of context, to make me out to be some sort of supervillain, or the unlikely hero of the anti-vax world."

You should do some research on the person your talking about instead of grabbing videos from tinfoil hat sources.
No, there is no “misrepresentation” of what he said. Bauer is just covering his own ass after making statements he shouldn’t have made. This just demonstrates your ignorance of the subject. What if Dr. Bauer claimed the Sun isn’t hot … you gonna believe that too?

I posted the second video of Dr. Cole, who corroborates exactly what Dr. Bauer found, which verifies the accuracy of the findings. Dr. Cole not only found the same dramatic decrease in neutralizing antibodies that Bauer discovered, but also found the same reduction in killer t-cells, which creates the worst case scenario for unchecked viral cell infection AND viral replication. A perfect storm, making the person extremely vulnerable to all types of infections, and not just Covid. This is as simple as understanding that water is wet, and not very complicated at all. It certainly has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, misrepresentations, or anything else other than simple statements of scientific, biological facts.

The “neutralizing antibodies” are what destroys foreign pathogens before they infect cells. Once a cell becomes infected, antibodies are irrelevant, because they only operate outside cells, not inside. Once a cell actually becomes infected, the killer T-cells take over to destroy the infected cell before the virus can replicate, and infect more cells.

Consequently, a dramatic reduction in both antibodies and T-cells ABSOLUTELY DEFINES an immune system that is INCAPABLE of fighting off infections. It’s really that simple, and shouldn’t be hard for anyone to understand.

If the primary elements used by your immune system to fight infections are reduced significantly, that would obviously reduce your immune system’s ability to do its job. It’s 2+2=4 simple … simple enough for a child to understand.

Last edited by GuyNTexas; 12-06-2022 at 01:59 PM..
 
Old 12-06-2022, 03:30 PM
 
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Of course it does. And much more often. And often more severe.
Nope. Just more propaganda designed to distract from the damage being caused by the vaccine. This is that Orwellian re-writing of history. Before the vaccines were introduced, we didn’t hear about this happening to Covid patients … it was a respiratory illness, remember? It affected the lungs, not the heart. People weren’t dropping over with heart attacks, they just couldn’t breathe, and their oxygen saturation levels were low.

We also now understand WHY AND HOW the vaccines are causing this heart damage. It’s called INFLAMMATION, blood clots, micro blood clotting resulting in myocarditis and pericarditis.

It’s the consequence of inflammation occurring throughout the entire body as the mRNA programs all of your cells to produce the toxic spike protein. That spike protein is the source of the inflammation, that is no longer isolated to the respiratory system, but is now a systemic infection of the entire body.

The real experts were warning this would happen long ago, even before the vaccines got their emergency use approval.

They were right then, and proven so now. You’ve been wrong, all along, and continue to be, even after being proven wrong.
 
Old 12-06-2022, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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No, there is no “misrepresentation” of what he said. Bauer is just covering his own ass after making statements he shouldn’t have made. This just demonstrates your ignorance of the subject. What if Dr. Bauer claimed the Sun isn’t hot … you gonna believe that too?

I posted the second video of Dr. Cole, who corroborates exactly what Dr. Bauer found, which verifies the accuracy of the findings. Dr. Cole not only found the same dramatic decrease in neutralizing antibodies that Bauer discovered, but also found the same reduction in killer t-cells, which creates the worst case scenario for unchecked viral cell infection AND viral replication. A perfect storm, making the person extremely vulnerable to all types of infections, and not just Covid. This is as simple as understanding that water is wet, and not very complicated at all. It certainly has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, misrepresentations, or anything else other than simple statements of scientific, biological facts.

The “neutralizing antibodies” are what destroys foreign pathogens before they infect cells. Once a cell becomes infected, antibodies are irrelevant, because they only operate outside cells, not inside. Once a cell actually becomes infected, the killer T-cells take over to destroy the infected cell before the virus can replicate, and infect more cells.

Consequently, a dramatic reduction in both antibodies and T-cells ABSOLUTELY DEFINES an immune system that is INCAPABLE of fighting off infections. It’s really that simple, and shouldn’t be hard for anyone to understand.

If the primary elements used by your immune system to fight infections are reduced significantly, that would obviously reduce your immune system’s ability to do its job. It’s 2+2=4 simple … simple enough for a child to understand.
Your only attempting to cover for your lack of research. The other video by Dr Ryan Cole who is a pathologist has several complaints to medical boards investigating him. He illegally prescribed medication over telehealth system, Misdiagnosed cancer in 2 patients.

The latest complaint said Cole had misdiagnosed a 64-year-old woman, who then had urgent surgery to remove the cancerous body parts — only to learn she didn’t actually have cancer.

The patient saw a Treasure Valley primary care doctor in December 2021, according to the complaint. The woman underwent a biopsy of her uterus, and the health care provider sent the biopsied tissue to Cole Diagnostics.

Cole sent back a diagnosis of “serous carcinoma,” the complaint said. Serous carcinoma can be a very fast-moving cancer with a high mortality rate.

The patient’s health care provider referred her to a gynecologic cancer specialist, and she was scheduled for surgery. The surgeon removed her reproductive organs, along with lymph nodes and tissue from her abdomen, the complaint said.


This Doctor you follow was responsible for this woman getting a hysterectomy after misdiagnosing her because he has this idea that Covid-19 vaccine caused her cancer.

The sources you post are pure pseudoscience.
 
Old 12-07-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Your only attempting to cover for your lack of research. The other video by Dr Ryan Cole who is a pathologist has several complaints to medical boards investigating him. He illegally prescribed medication over telehealth system, Misdiagnosed cancer in 2 patients.

The latest complaint said Cole had misdiagnosed a 64-year-old woman, who then had urgent surgery to remove the cancerous body parts — only to learn she didn’t actually have cancer.

The patient saw a Treasure Valley primary care doctor in December 2021, according to the complaint. The woman underwent a biopsy of her uterus, and the health care provider sent the biopsied tissue to Cole Diagnostics.

Cole sent back a diagnosis of “serous carcinoma,” the complaint said. Serous carcinoma can be a very fast-moving cancer with a high mortality rate.

The patient’s health care provider referred her to a gynecologic cancer specialist, and she was scheduled for surgery. The surgeon removed her reproductive organs, along with lymph nodes and tissue from her abdomen, the complaint said.


This Doctor you follow was responsible for this woman getting a hysterectomy after misdiagnosing her because he has this idea that Covid-19 vaccine caused her cancer.

The sources you post are pure pseudoscience.
When you can't attack the info, attack the source. Works every time.
 
Old 12-07-2022, 09:28 AM
 
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When you can't attack the info, attack the source. Works every time.
With Covid related medical disinformation that has actually been very useful going on 3 years now.
 
Old 12-07-2022, 03:49 PM
 
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I still haven't gotten a reply to my question.

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Even the CDC has been forced to acknowledge actual science and data
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‘We can no longer say this a pandemic of the unvaccinated’: CDC data indicates vaccinated, boosted people together make up majority of COVID-19 deaths
https://dnyuz.com/2022/12/03/we-can-...vid-19-deaths/
What exactly do the vaccines prevent?

Where is my risk of death of NOT being vaccinated if more vaccinated people are dying of COVID?

The data now says they don't prevent infection, nor do they stop transmission to others once infected, and now they don't seem to do the last thing they claimed to reduce severity of infection.

I'd say death is pretty severe.
 
Old 12-07-2022, 06:46 PM
 
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Absolutely. I had it over the summer (a mild case about 7-8 months after my third dose of the Pfizer vaccine) and I am still not all the way back to normal. I was completely normal within a few days of having each vaccination dose. I'm relatively young and healthy. It is a fairly mild illness (except when it isn't), but the aftereffects linger and linger.
How do you know the lingering issues aren’t associated with three shots of an experimental gene therapy, but are because of a viral infection the shots were supposed to protect you from?

I detect a bit of cognitive dissonance here.
 
Old 12-07-2022, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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When you can't attack the info, attack the source. Works every time.
Is that all of the deflection you can come up with You can't even defend the source of your information because Dr Cole is joke of a doctor.

I was hoping you guys would bring up the doctor Trump promoted who said the vaccine had Alien DNA.

Dr. Stella Immanuel

 
Old 12-08-2022, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's actually the opposite, vaccines last and natural immunity doesn't, I know you don't care about facts but I'm saying it anyway for the benefit of others.


And we're in a COVID surge, not to mention RSV and influenza, so why wouldn't you wear a mask? Especially if you're unvaccinated and therefore particularly susceptible.


Like, if you are extra-cautious about mask-wearing because you didn't vaccinate then I'd say, whatever, that's your choice. But if you don't vaccinate and don't mask then it's obvious that you just hate thinking about COVID for some reason and get mad when other people acknowledge it. Even if we maintained a non-surge rate of 2000 deaths/week COVID would still be a leading cause of death.
Wrong ... mr or miss informed. WASHINGTON (TND) — A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine is backing up claims that natural immunity provides greater protection from COVID-19 infection than multiple vaccine doses.

“Natural Immunity wins again,” Johns Hopkins's Dr. Martin Makary tweeted alongside a link to the study.

and.... I don't wear a mask 'cause I'm not in a paranoid politically induced coma.
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