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The fact that the pandemic has had surges dwarfing the 2020 surge without yet destroying the health care system should be proof enough that the vaccines are helping at least somewhat. It's all very obvious for anyone who cares to see past the end of their nose.
So the “…vaccines are helping at least somewhat.” And this estimate is based on a smaller surge in 2022:vs 2020 so the science says “vaccines must be working”.
And if gun violence is reduced in a large city, might there be more than a single reason for the positive result?
The logic, aka “the connection “, is not or has not been proven. It’s conjecture at best. And this is being stated without an insult at the end of the post for those that disagree with this logic.
I got vaccinated and it almost killed me. 4 doctors say so.
Sorry that happened to you. Or happy it wasn't worse, I guess. But that doesn't mean anything, I know a person who almost died choking but I still eat. I know people who died in cars but I still drive. And I know a lot more people died of unvaccinated COVID infections than from the vaccine.
"Could this kill me" is a useless risk metric, every bite step and breath could kill you. What matters is the relative risk among your choices, and vaccines reduce risk unless you're aware of a specific risk factor that gives you worse-than-typical odds.
When we speak about the viral diseases that cause death long covid is way down the list. I'm not trying to diminish any ones passing, but the energy should be where the most benefit can be realized. Covid is still a 1% death rate for ALL groups. Covid is now a major disease for those with weak immune systems. In fact... Infection with the virus that causes COVID-19 can trigger an immune response that lasts well beyond the initial infection and recovery—even among people who had mild symptoms or no symptoms at all, according to Cedars-Sinai investigators. The findings are published in the Journal of Translational Medicine.
We must NOT take our collective eyes off the ball(s).
Not ALL age groups have 1% Covid mortality. The under 18 age group certainly does not have a 1% death rate due to Covid. Please refrain from outlying narratives that artificially push Covid vaccines as benefiting everyone of all age groups. Infants as a category, don’t need Covid vaccines. Sensible approach.
So the “…vaccines are helping at least somewhat.” And this estimate is based on a smaller surge in 2022:vs 2020 so the science says “vaccines must be working”.
And if gun violence is reduced in a large city, might there be more than a single reason for the positive result?
The logic, aka “the connection “, is not or has not been proven. It’s conjecture at best. And this is being stated without an insult at the end of the post for those that disagree with this logic.
Gun violence is caused by myriad socioeconomic factors. The fatality rate of COVID is, by comparison, much simpler, and there's a preponderance of evidence that the vaccines reduce the risk of death, both in scientific trials and observed evidence from society, as well as well-understood causal relationships.
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Not ALL age groups have 1% Covid mortality. The under 18 age group certainly does not have a 1% death rate due to Covid. Please refrain from outlying narratives that artificially push Covid vaccines as benefiting everyone of all age groups. Infants as a category, don’t need Covid vaccines. Sensible approach.
We still don't know the full extent of Long COVID damage. Sure, an infant isn't likely to die from a COVID infection, but then consider the organ damage caused, and consider an infant is likely to be getting COVID once or twice a year for decades.
Then again, we don't know if vaccines reduce Long COVID risk as much as for acute COVID, so masks are also important, but vaccines seem like they probably have some impact and they are certainly less risky than multiple unvaccinated COVID events.
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