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Old 11-26-2022, 07:09 AM
 
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The Democrats keep bringing up reparations for blacks due to slavery, even though Dems owned slaves, blacks owned slaves, African natons rounded up and sold slaves, & Dems fought against the repeal of slavery.

and....

...Dems rounded up Native Americans during the "trail of tears" and put them in confinement camps in Oklahoma.

The Republican party had not yet been founded when that transpired.

So, let us start by fining Dems for what they did to our proud Native Americans first, then we can discuss what they did to the African slaves here afterwards.

Their hypocrisy smells like rotting eggs.

Some Native Americans actually owned slaves. Google "Black Cherokee" and get you some history.

Also, they've already received/are receiving reparations. They were granted reservations with significant autonomy in their daily affairs. For example, they can do things on their land that are otherwise illegal in their respective states (such as casino gambling, selling certain types of tobacco).

Then there's the Indian Health Service. In 2017 on a budget of $5.9 BILLION dollars, they provided health care to 2.2 million Native Americans. That's $2,682 per person spent.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Health_Service
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Old 11-26-2022, 07:20 AM
 
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Some Native Americans actually owned slaves. Google "Black Cherokee" and get you some history.

Also, they've already received/are receiving reparations. They were granted reservations with significant autonomy in their daily affairs. For example, they can do things on their land that are otherwise illegal in their respective states (such as casino gambling, selling certain types of tobacco).

Then there's the Indian Health Service. In 2017 on a budget of $5.9 BILLION dollars, they provided health care to 2.2 million Native Americans. That's $2,682 per person spent.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Health_Service
Well some of what you posted about benefits that reds receive, can also apply to blacks with untold billions having been spent on programs that have created generational dependance on the government going back 60 years, with no end in sight.
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Old 11-26-2022, 07:20 AM
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Slavery in America was not a Democrat or Republican institution. It was more related to Whiteness and Christianity than it was anything else. If you were White and Christian you had to chose which side of the issue you were on. Abolitionist lost to the Democrats and then lost again to the Republicans over Slavery because Slavery was never ended over its immorality. And that's why there will never be Reparations for Native Americans or African Americans...."It was nothing personal just business."
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Old 11-26-2022, 07:22 AM
 
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What is your time limit?
This is an interesting question. In my opinion, anyone who is still alive and was deprived of property or wages due to government policy or inaction, deserves reparations. In other words, anyone who was an actual slave while slavery was legal deserves reparations if they're still alive. Which is, of course, is nobody.

Liberals will respond to this by claiming that the economic impact of slavery lasts generations. This is true to some extent, but liberals also whine about wealth passing from generation to generation - which is at odds with the notion of reparations for folks whose great, great, great grandparents were slaves. Typical liberal cognitive dissonance.
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Old 11-26-2022, 07:23 AM
 
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Slavery in America was not a Democrat or Republican institution. It was more related to Whiteness and Christianity than it was anything else. If you were White and Christian you had to chose which side of the issue you were on. Abolitionist lost to the Democrats and then lost again to the Republicans over Slavery because Slavery was never ended over its immorality.
Nice try, but obfuscation at best;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oS4WLui3Q&t=58s
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Old 11-26-2022, 07:25 AM
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Nice try, but obfuscation at best;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oS4WLui3Q&t=58s
Friends don't let friends learn American History on youtube.
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Old 11-26-2022, 08:31 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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These people that are due reparation can't even get proof of their own birth for ID purposes never mind trace back their lineage 160 years to slaves.
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Old 11-26-2022, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Policies of the current members of the party.

I couldn't care less what people did in the early 1800s, what an asinine reason to make voting decisions today.
Thx for asking my question directly...that's rare here.

The Dems are trying to use this as a wedge issue to get more black votes in 2024. Dems trendline with black voters is going in the wrong direction for them...they are losing black votes now. That is also why the new Speaker is black. The Dems are doomed if the current trend of blacks leaving the Dem party continues.

Same can be said for Latino voters, who have left in much greater numbers.

The Dems identity politics strategy of divide and conquer, is disintergrating.
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Old 11-26-2022, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The talk about Reparations is used to hold onto the Black voting base. The same can be said of the "Cash for Flunkers" scheme that Biden dangled like a carrot to the young voters. He knew it was unconstitutional but he hung it out there anyways. The youngsters fell for it and who can blame them? With the Dems it is a maybe but with the Reps it is a No Way. The same can be said of Reparations for the many reasons pointed out in this discussion. When does it start, when does it end, who will be paid?



Reparations, Paying Off Student Loan Debt, these are both Democrat schemes to pander for Votes and it works.



My wife is from Ireland and she wants her Reparations for how her people were discriminated against back in the day when some business's put up signs "No Blacks and No Irish"...
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Old 11-26-2022, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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So they are going to force people who never owned slaves to pay up so they can give that money to people who never were slaves ?

And then what ? Is this a 1 time payoff or are there more future installments because, you know, the hardship suffered knows no bounds.


I guess ..in Bizarro World nothing makes sense to me.
So long as only Dems have to pay the reparations, I'm jiggy with it.

Pubs ended slavery, so its not on them to pay squat.
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