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Old 11-26-2022, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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No outside private interest/donors.

There should be the same requirement for congress and all courts.
Hmm no private donors. They voted to let secret donors give. Nobody knows who they are
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Old 11-27-2022, 10:40 AM
 
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Yes, that's exactly what it means.

that is the overwhelming legal opinion currently but there has never been a ruling from the SCOTUS ( or anything in the US constitution ) supporting the definition.
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:11 AM
 
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that is the overwhelming legal opinion currently but there has never been a ruling from the SCOTUS ( or anything in the US constitution ) supporting the definition.
You are free to initiate a court case to get a definitive answer. No one else has had that desire yet.
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:15 AM
 
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A potential POTUS over the age of 64 should prove their mental capacity/fitness to serve, that way we avoid the current situation from ever occurring again.
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:18 AM
 
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the requirements to be POTUS and VP are surprisingly vague. curious to hear opinions on the topic. the requirements are:


35 YEARS OLD or OLDER

this is the only requirement with a firm definition.

14 YEARS RESIDENCY
are the years consecutive or cumulative? do they need to be the immediate previous 14 years or any 14? what defines a year residency? if i reside in the US for 10months but vacation outside the US for 2 is that a year residency? if i reside in the US but work outside does that qualify? can i have residencies in both the US and outside?



NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
is this simple "US citizen at birth" or ??? neither the US constitution or the SCOTUS has defined the term.
Add my personal prerequisite of prior Military Service.
The POTUS automatically becomes the Commander in Chief...and the head of the Military.
Military Service is a unique endeavor, and requires a special mindset, due to the nature of what is done by the Military.
I do not believe you can effectively be the head of The Chain of Command, if you've never been part of it.
This would eliminate all the past Presidents, going back to Bush...including the current.
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:29 AM
 
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that is the overwhelming legal opinion currently but there has never been a ruling from the SCOTUS ( or anything in the US constitution ) supporting the definition.
I refer to the common usage in the English language for the phrase 'natural born': having or possessing an attribute at birth. Consider people who are termed natural born leaders, natural born athletes, natural born killers (to pull in Oliver Stone's movie of said title).

SCOTUS may or may not weigh in with an opinion, but the definition stands on it's own.
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:39 AM
 
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Add my personal prerequisite of prior Military Service.
The POTUS automatically becomes the Commander in Chief...and the head of the Military.
Military Service is a unique endeavor, and requires a special mindset, due to the nature of what is done by the Military.
I do not believe you can effectively be the head of The Chain of Command, if you've never been part of it.
This would eliminate all the past Presidents, going back to Bush...including the current.
There's much more to POTUS than being Commander in Chief; one might as well require that POTUS also have served in an elected political office of a certain level, served as a foreign diplomat, or performed as a C-level position in a major corporation.

One of the cornerstones of the American Republic is that the military is subordinate to civilian authority. The military exists to serve the nation, the nation does not exist to serve the military.
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:57 AM
 
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There's much more to POTUS than being Commander in Chief; one might as well require that POTUS also have served in an elected political office of a certain level, served as a foreign diplomat, or performed as a C-level position in a major corporation.

One of the cornerstones of the American Republic is that the military is subordinate to civilian authority. The military exists to serve the nation, the nation does not exist to serve the military.
Nothing else besides the Military makes decisions for 10s of thousands (even hundreds of thousands) of lives in this world to be actively snuffed out.
Nothing besides "Defense Department" decisions could result in hundreds of thousands of people dying in a instant.
The Civilians have very little say in those decisions...that's just the fact and reality of the matter.
It's much too uniquely serious for any NonVeteran to be making decisions along those lines. In my view...as a Veteran.
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Old 11-27-2022, 12:04 PM
 
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Nothing else besides the Military makes decisions for 10s of thousands (even hundreds of thousands) of lives in this world to be actively snuffed out.
Nothing besides "Defense Department" decisions could result in hundreds of thousands of people dying in a instant.
The Civilians have very little say in those decisions...that's just the fact and reality of the matter.
It's much too uniquely serious for any NonVeteran to be making decisions along those lines. In my view...as a Veteran.
Any veteran?

Person who served in the marine band as a flute player? Guy who never left base, never got a promotion, and spent 4 years working in the kitchen?

Coast guard diesel mechanic?

All valid and necessary roles, but they do not necessarily give a person experience or insight into making decisions involving the military at the scale you describe.
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Old 11-27-2022, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Spain
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The Civilians have very little say in those decisions...that's just the fact and reality of the matter
I'm a veteran too, and the military chain of command when I served started out with three civilians:
1. POTUS
2. SECDEF
3. Secretary of (insert service here)


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It's much too uniquely serious for any NonVeteran to be making decisions along those lines. In my view...as a Veteran.
Ronald Reagan enlisted in the reserves and was prevented from serving overseas due to eye problems, he instead performed benign office duties stateside. He accomplished a lot during his presidency and goes down in history as one of the more hawkish to serve, but I'm skeptical that his short stint of military service had another to do with sharpening his decision making relating to world or military affairs.
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