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No you don't understand at all. It was shorthand for sexual and reproductive autonomy.
Pro-choice women have never concerned themselves with the fringe movement of anti-vaxxers. Your belief that they should is bizarre. Why would a minority faction of the population think latching onto a movement that supports the majority viewpoint of women and men on abortion was a good idea?
As for abortion, of course only one person makes the decision. The other is not a person and can't make a decision.
This isn't a left or right issue. Plenty or pro-choice women who are right or independent.
And the other "person" is not even considered - even though it is half his.
I would say that since 100% of people go through the same process in the womb - it's safe to say that the being conceived by a man and a woman is a human being.
I was fine with Roe/Casey which basically sets that at viability. I doubt there will ever be a specific week that everyone would agree on.
That being said, I don't believe the far right is capable of any reasonable compromise, so I will be voting for politicians that support removing it from the restrictions of the state altogether and leaving it between a woman and her doctor. As well as those who will support federal legislation to do the same.
Even when Republicans propose something they call compromise, it can't be trusted. For example, the Graham/Rubio bill purporting to allow abortion to 15 weeks. But, then when you read the fine print, no exceptions for rape/incest/fetal anomaly and allowing states with shorter restrictions like 6 week heart beat laws to keep them.
Can you understand when 75% of people don't believe the "pro choice" movement is capable of any reasonable compromise? I mean, I personally do, but it's not the political message ever used.
75% = 100% minus everybody that's not "no restrictions at all whatsoever!" (approx 18%) and everybody that's "life begins at conception!" (approx 7%)
Can you understand when 75% of people don't believe the "pro choice" movement is capable of any reasonable compromise? I mean, I personally do, but it's not the political message ever used.
75% = 100% minus everybody that's not "no restrictions at all whatsoever!" (approx 18%) and everybody that's "life begins at conception!" (approx 7%)
Is that your experience talking to pro choice people?
also, just as a question of curiosity/clarity ... why do we always include "incest" when "rape" would take care of an innocent child (cannot consent) having any kind of sex with an adult - relative or not?
"Healthy" born babies are no more "viable" without full care and sustenance then those during gestation...they just take a bit longer to die.
Well...unless you you rip them apart or chemically immolate them like is done during abortion...then they die just as fast.
I appreciate the answer. So, you're also saying somewhere between 20-24 weeks, currently as a "generic" response.
Because the issue also becomes ... who decides viability? An assembled panel of neonatal docs in each metro? A single panel for the country who decides for the women who are making a purely personal choice?
I do wonder - I'm sure you still haven't read the article I linked about each state's current legal status - why don't more "pro-choice advocates" simply say "it should be the woman's choice until viability"?
this is where both "sides" - really the 'extremes' - get it wrong. You can come at it from the "right" - that life begins at conception and protection begins at that moment. You can come at it from the "left" - that the woman's bodily autonomy is sacrosanct.
But neither of these positions satisfies the ~75% of folks who fall into the middle.
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although I suppose we should delve into "healthy". That sounds like "birth defects that will affect them for their life", but I don't want to assume that's what you meant.
Yes I read the link when you posted it.
Each pregnancy is individual and I would say it a decision a woman and her doctor should make based on her medical situation.
No one with any compassion wants healthy babies at viability aborted for no reason. It is a misnomer that women in mass abort late term healthy babies.
Is that your experience talking to pro choice people?
that's my experience watching the advertisements for 3 months and what the politicians all proclaim. And the protestors.
IOW, the "noise makers".
Again, the "pro choice" crowd decried FL having a 15 week limit. As I said very early - NC has a law of 20 weeks, a mere week to 3 (and well beyond knowing you're pregnant and choosing unilaterally), that is decried by the left in NC, including the Attorney General who has refused to "defend" the law.
also, just as a question of curiosity/clarity ... why do we always include "incest" when "rape" would take care of an innocent child (cannot consent) having any kind of sex with an adult - relative or not?
I do believe in abortion for rape and incest victims. I however do wonder the mind set of why pro life folks are ok aborting these pregnancy but not those from consensual sex. I also ask and it’s mostly ignored why it’s ok to allow the millions of lives kept in the deep freezer at fertility clinics for decades or the thousands that they dispose of every month if life begins at conception?
I do believe in abortion for rape and incest victims. I however do wonder the mind set of why pro life folks are ok aborting these pregnancy but not those from consensual sex. I also ask and it’s mostly ignored why it’s ok to allow the millions of lives kept in the deep freezer at fertility clinics for decades or the thousands that they dispose of every month if life begins at conception?
I think you missed the inquiry.
When is it rape, and when is it not rape but incest?
And why, if a woman has autonomy, would we add a classification for a consensual sexual act with a different time limit?
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