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Old 11-29-2022, 09:18 AM
 
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Employer gets to set the rules. My business, my choice.
You just chose to keep those who can't find a job more to their liking elsewhere.

Oh, and the kicker: Your employees can seek jobs with competitors who do offer WFH pretty much nationwide. Meanwhile, you've reduced your talent pool to those living within what, a 30-mile radius?

Who gets the better workforce?
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Old 11-29-2022, 10:39 AM
 
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You just chose to keep those who can't find a job more to their liking elsewhere.

Oh, and the kicker: Your employees can seek jobs with competitors who do offer WFH pretty much nationwide. Meanwhile, you've reduced your talent pool to those living within what, a 30-mile radius?

Who gets the better workforce?
Exactly. That being said, WFH works great only if there is a good leadership structure. If not, you see things like what some have posted here.
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Old 11-29-2022, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You just chose to keep those who can't find a job more to their liking elsewhere.

Oh, and the kicker: Your employees can seek jobs with competitors who do offer WFH pretty much nationwide. Meanwhile, you've reduced your talent pool to those living within what, a 30-mile radius?

Who gets the better workforce?
you need to realize one thing though, 78% of the entire workforce is in "hands-on" jobs, that can NOT work from home.

WFH is great, if it is possible for your profession...ie analytical in front of a computer all-day
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Old 11-29-2022, 10:46 AM
 
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you need to realize one thing though, 78% of the entire workforce is in "hands-on" jobs, that can NOT work from home
The discussion is predicated on the idea that the jobs are WFH-relevant.
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Old 11-29-2022, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The discussion is predicated on the idea that the jobs are WFH-relevant.
eh... not by the title... which implies that genZ is lazy and won't come back to work...it does NOT specify the 22% of jobs that "could" WFH

my daughter is genZ (2002) and she has a great work ethic, her boyfriend, not so much
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Old 11-29-2022, 11:12 AM
 
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Default Work from home formerly called "The Cottage Industry"

Two good reasons to work from home:

1) Employers can reduce or eliminate office space cost. Look at downtown New York City. And they are.
2) Employees save the time and expense of commuting. Plus employees can live where they want to and usually at a much lower cost of living. And they are.

Before the Industrial Revolution in the UK, the Irish, English, etc. would produce linen goods in their cottages. Today, employers set production goals or develop metrics by having their employees account for every half hour of their time or install key stroke apps on their employees computers to make certain that the employees are putting the time in.

I am not making this up, I worked off-site and experienced all these restrictions.

Best of all for an employer, employees never see one another so they cannot organize over common grievances.

Some business needs in-office employees but it is absolutely more costly.
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Old 11-29-2022, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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You just chose to keep those who can't find a job more to their liking elsewhere.

Oh, and the kicker: Your employees can seek jobs with competitors who do offer WFH pretty much nationwide. Meanwhile, you've reduced your talent pool to those living within what, a 30-mile radius?

Who gets the better workforce?
Those who are willing to go above and beyond to get the job dont and not sit and cry, "I need an emotional day" boohoo.
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Old 11-29-2022, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Two good reasons to work from home:

1) Employers can reduce or eliminate office space cost. Look at downtown New York City. And they are.
2) Employees save the time and expense of commuting. Plus employees can live where they want to and usually at a much lower cost of living. And they are.
Added bonus for all: When I was down with Covid, I was stuck at home for two weeks. I was still able to work.
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Old 11-29-2022, 11:28 AM
 
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Two good reasons to work from home:

1) Employers can reduce or eliminate office space cost. Look at downtown New York City. And they are.
2) Employees save the time and expense of commuting. Plus employees can live where they want to and usually at a much lower cost of living. And they are.

Before the Industrial Revolution in the UK, the Irish, English, etc. would produce linen goods in their cottages. Today, employers set production goals or develop metrics by having their employees account for every half hour of their time or install key stroke apps on their employees computers to make certain that the employees are putting the time in.

I am not making this up, I worked off-site and experienced all these restrictions.

Best of all for an employer, employees never see one another so they cannot organize over common grievances.

Some business needs in-office employees but it is absolutely more costly.
Don't forget, it helps with climate change. Millions of cars that aren't on the road sitting in rush our traffic twice a day.
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Old 11-29-2022, 12:02 PM
 
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Those who are willing to go above and beyond to get the job dont and not sit and cry, "I need an emotional day" boohoo.
Honestly, those who choose not to go above and beyond pretty much know not to be suckers for corporate overlords who'd fire them for few extra points in the profit margin.

I had a co-worker who was going above and beyond. Editing footage and just explaining to me that "I wanna put lots of effort into this work, otherwise they might decide to lay us off".

He was an older dude. In his 50s. I think in his mind, it was still 1985. He got laid-off during covid.

It goes to show you that no matter how much work you put into a company, they will throw you under the bus. I'm not gonna be a kiss-ass. I just do the work that is needed.

I only go above and beyond if my pay goes above and beyond.
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