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Old 11-30-2022, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by MJJersey View Post
Married people tend to be more responsible, commit fewer crimes, and have more stability in general. That's good for governments. However, I don't think marriage actually increases responsibility. Probably the other way around.
I was replying to the poster that wants FedGov out of these areas and why I think they won't ever get out of these areas.

If anything the FedGov is getting more involved via nationalizing.

It's a bigger issue than just marriage.

FWIW I do agree that we need the same laws in all states to protect the people themselves.
I also think Congress should have acted on the abortion law as well to make it the same across all states with min first trimester and then let states go further if they want.

Socially I have a liberal view but not a progressive view.

 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:23 AM
 
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Oh, so the number has been updated. Thank you. Low by a lot? Hardly.

There are 33 million households with kids in the US. (Global Data Nov 2022) So out of that 33 million households ... there are 161,000 LGBTQ households with kids.

Do the math. ..
When I went to school, 161,000 was well over 1/3 more than 114,000. That's a lot.
 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Clearly none, but same-sex couples legally married in States who allow it will not have to move to enjoy the same marriage protections offered by their State to heterosexual couples. Unless the State removes marriage protections for ALL, their rights are now ensured. Good.

Rights don’t end with who can marry who. Lots of protections/rights are available to just married people. And the law will say they have to be available to ALL married people in a State regardless of whether or not the State allows civil same-sex marriage.



Same sex marriage bans are based on gender, not sexual orientation.
 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:25 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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What's next? Maybe the worthless Democrats in Congress can pass a bill giving women the right to vote. Or enacting the Bill of Rights. Anything to avoid addressing the real problems facing actual Americans, which they intentionally created.

 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Same sex marriage bans are based on gender, not sexual orientation.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the benefits provided to folks once they’re married.
 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Everything you just posted was hypotheticals. It is now written in federal law. It is the law of the land.


Not until Congress passes and POTUS signs.
Also it's still subject to being overturned by SCOTUS as unconstitutional.

And you're the one who brought up hypotheticals when you asked me if I'd be ok with a state defining marriage as only two males.
 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:35 AM
 
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Which recognizes whatever laws each state has.

That's it. Do people ever do any research beyond headlines?

However, statutory authority doesn’t exactly make same-sex marriage the law of the land, notes Rep. Jones, who said, “This legislation says the federal government must recognize a marriage that was legally performed within a state. It does not require all states to allow marriage equality,” explains Jones.

You are congratulating the feds for acknowledging states rights.
The part that you are missing is the recognition, married couples of all sexual preferences will have the same rights, albeit you wont be able to get married in that state necessarily.
 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:39 AM
 
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Yeah no. It’s the government deciding to offer whatever protection they can to same-sex couples in light of a far Right Supreme Court. State can now decide if they want to perform same-sex marriages, but they can’t refuse to acknowledge same-sex marriage performed in other States.
Nonsense. For 200+ years of this nation's existence, marriage has been 1 man, 1 woman. For all of HISTORY, that's been the case. And no, the SCOTUS is nowhere close to far right. But it did actually rule according to the Constitution (that darned pesky Constitution, huh?)
 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:40 AM
 
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You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

So sayeth the Lord. It is also from Romans. This is all getting creepy. Sort of like when the warden in Shawshank reduces his discussions to biblical shibboleths and you are expected to play along with somebody who is obviously crazy.
I have no issue being judged by the same standard. Why do you believe that is some kind of gotcha argument?
 
Old 11-30-2022, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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as far as I am concerned...eliminate marriage...and all the bennies... completely.... why should the government be in the marriage bussiness to begin with...why should the government give breaks to people who say they are married....


marriage is an antiquated concept.



Now this I can agree with.

Government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage..... federal government especially.
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