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Old 12-01-2022, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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3/4 of the American people support every penny of aide the US has provided Ukraine. It reflects the will of the people.
Since 1/2 of Americans dont pay any net federal income taxes, sure...why not approve of giving other people money away to Ukraine?
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Old 12-01-2022, 04:52 PM
 
Location: West coast
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Our “agreement” would not have come into question if we denied or rather delayed them from joining NATO.
This is that bad policy point where proper diplomacy could have kept this from happening.

Also agreements are business deals and business deals can and often are subject to modification when the fairness of the deal is diminished.
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Old 12-01-2022, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Probably covering all of the Biden crime family's tracks. Hunter got rich over there, so you know there has to be a mountain of their dirt somewhere. How does a crack head become a millionaire??? No good decent honest way, I would assume.
Don't be such a partisan. The Bidens may be in the deepest, but Ukraine has been the center of corruption in the Western world for decades. Political affiliation is irrelevant at that level. You're either in the game or you're not. We got to see what happens to someone who's not, if they want to bring that corruption to light and have the ability and reach to do so.

Just a reminder that Maxwell's been sentenced but none of her clients have been charged. These people don't play by the same set of rules that you and I do.
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Old 12-01-2022, 05:09 PM
 
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Our “agreement” would not have come into question if we denied or rather delayed them from joining NATO.
This is that bad policy point where proper diplomacy could have kept this from happening.

Also agreements are business deals and business deals can and often are subject to modification when the fairness of the deal is diminished.
Nice of you to repeat Putin’s propaganda for him. He’s made it quite clear he doesn’t respect Ukraine’s statehood despite both history and the treaty. They have every right to pursue NATO membership. It is a mutual defense pact.

You can disregard international treaties sure. But that will have repercussions for future diplomacy.
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Old 12-01-2022, 05:23 PM
 
Location: West coast
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I didn’t repeat anyones jibberish.

Nice that you want another war and like giving away our money to crooked regimes .
You no doubt are for censorship as well.
When I was a card carrying liberal we hated war.
We were for free speech too.
I didn’t change.
Look at what the left has now become.
It’s rather shameful really.
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Old 12-01-2022, 05:27 PM
 
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I didn’t repeat anyones jibberish.

Nice that you want another war and like giving away our money to crooked regimes .
You no doubt are for censorship as well.
When I was a card carrying liberal we hated war.
We were for free speech too.
I didn’t change.
Look at what the left has now become.
It’s rather shameful really.
Yeah this isn’t a case of making up WMDs to invade the wrong country. This is a country we have a treaty with to provide assistance. Like say when their bully of a neighbor starts annexing parts of their country and then invading.

And at the crux of it, tied to nuclear proliferation. If countries giving up their nukes or nuclear ambitions see that this is their fate it’s just going to be another wider nuclear arms race.
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Old 12-01-2022, 06:36 PM
 
Location: West coast
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No this is a case of bad policy.
I’m surprised that you did say “bu bu but Trump” so kudos for that.
The wmd situation was BS too.
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Old 12-01-2022, 06:50 PM
 
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That scum Zellensky apparently appointed a Balenciaga child trafficker as ambassador for displaced children or something over there.
Translate Balenciaga into latin and you get " Baal is king." Baal is a god they sacrificed children to. These inhuman monsters are doing it in the open now.
You got wrecked in post #7, might want to do some learnin'.

Totally noting you had no link and likely passed on your "knowledge" without verifying or thinking.
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Old 12-01-2022, 07:16 PM
 
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LOL....that article was dated Aug 8??.....since then Ukraine has swept Kharkiv and forced a withdrawal from Kherson....and HIMARS have been a game changer...so you can believe whatever you want....Ukraine is making gains with the Arms they are getting...their entire existence depends on it....so I would feel sorry if there is corruption and they got caught. But I am for oversight of this aide.

Of all the things to worry about...don't worry about the US running out of arms...they will keep flowing

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/s...92461448712193
Umm... Really? The Ukrainian offensive has stalled out after the Russians gifted them with Kherson. HIMARS, for all its hype, has not been a game changer. The Russians have started to make gains again. Sorry, no go for Ukraine. Even the Ukrainian internet newsman Deny has given up and fled the country.

The fact remains that war materiel and money from NATO countries are being severely skimmed and only part of it is getting into the proper Ukrainian hands. The US is running out of arms. Yes, arms are and will be continued to be sent but at a reduced rate. But again, the Ukrainians are not making any more progress despite that help. They have a long way to go in trying to push out the Russians out of their country and they have ground to a halt. Meanwhile, the Russians are husbanding their forces and are still fighting Ukraine with their hands tied behind their back. But will this change soon? We'll just have to see. Somehow, I can't see the Russians just sitting with hundreds of thousands of their accumulated forces on the sidelines doing nothing for very long.
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Old 12-01-2022, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Umm... Really? The Ukrainian offensive has stalled out after the Russians gifted them with Kherson. HIMARS, for all its hype, has not been a game changer. The Russians have started to make gains again. Sorry, no go for Ukraine. Even the Ukrainian internet newsman Deny has given up and fled the country.

The fact remains that war materiel and money from NATO countries are being severely skimmed and only part of it is getting into the proper Ukrainian hands. The US is running out of arms. Yes, arms are and will be continued to be sent but at a reduced rate. But again, the Ukrainians are not making any more progress despite that help. They have a long way to go in trying to push out the Russians out of their country and they have ground to a halt. Meanwhile, the Russians are husbanding their forces and are still fighting Ukraine with their hands tied behind their back. But will this change soon? We'll just have to see. Somehow, I can't see the Russians just sitting with hundreds of thousands of their accumulated forces on the sidelines doing nothing for very long.
General Mud is in charge now....It's Russia that is running through its munitions like a drunk sailor...this is the same mistake they made prior to Kharkiv.

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-november-30

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Russian efforts around Bakhmut indicate that Russian forces have fundamentally failed to learn from previous high-casualty campaigns concentrated on objectives of limited operational or strategic significance. Russian forces have continually expended combat strength on small settlements around Bakhmut since the end of May; in the following six months, they have only secured gains on the order of a few kilometers at a time.[1] As ISW has previously observed, Russian efforts to advance on Bakhmut have resulted in the continued attrition of Russian manpower and equipment, pinning troops on relatively insignificant settlements for weeks and months at a time.[2] This pattern of operations closely resembles the previous Russian effort to take Severodonetsk and Lysychansk earlier in the war. As ISW assessed throughout June and July of this year, Ukrainian forces essentially allowed Russian troops to concentrate efforts on Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, two cities near the Luhansk Oblast border of limited operational and strategic significance, in order to capitalize on the continued degradation of Russian manpower and equipment over the course of months of grinding combat.[3] Russian troops eventually captured Lysychansk and Severodonetsk and reached the Luhansk Oblast border, but that tactical success translated to negligible operational benefit as the Russian offensive in the east then culminated. Russian efforts in this area have remained largely stalled along the lines that they reached in early July. Even if Russian troops continue to advance toward and within Bakhmut, and even if they force a controlled Ukrainian withdrawal from the city (as was the case in Lysychansk), Bakhmut itself offers them little operational benefit. The costs associated with six months of brutal, grinding, and attrition-based combat around Bakhmut far outweigh any operational advantage that the Russians can obtain from taking Bakhmut. Russian offensives around Bakhmut, on the other hand, are consuming a significant proportion of Russia’s available combat power, potentially facilitating continued Ukrainian counteroffensives elsewhere.
ISW nailed it this summer....maybe Putin should read these updates...rumor has it that he does.
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