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Old 12-02-2022, 03:39 PM
 
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Show proved that you can’t light gasoline with a cigarette. Which was part of the false confession.

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During his arrest, Galvan was interrogated and told he could go home if he implicated others in the crime, something that was also offered to another accused of the crime, Arthur Almendarez. Eventually, all three signed statements confessing to the crime, admitting to throwing a Molotov cocktail through a window of the apartment block. John and Arthur later said that these statements were signed following physical abuse, while the third accused man said that he had signed it drunk and without having been read his rights. All three were later convicted of first-degree murder and aggravated arson.
Gotta wonder how many people are in prison because of lies and abuse during interrogations. As any lawyer will tell you, don’t talk to cops without a lawyer present even if totally innocent.

https://www.iflscience.com/innocent-...hbusters-65677
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Old 12-02-2022, 03:54 PM
 
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Show proved that you can’t light gasoline with a cigarette. Which was part of the false confession.



Gotta wonder how many people are in prison because of lies and abuse during interrogations. As any lawyer will tell you, don’t talk to cops without a lawyer present even if totally innocent.

https://www.iflscience.com/innocent-...hbusters-65677
many. and yes, police are NOT your friend. don’t talk unless you have a lawyer advise you.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:01 PM
 
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We really should change the ability of police to lie.

Five Facts About Police Deception and Youth You Should Know

The police can legally lie to you during an interrogation and young people are especially vulnerable to their tactics.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:26 PM
 
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Show proved that you can’t light gasoline with a cigarette. Which was part of the false confession.



Gotta wonder how many people are in prison because of lies and abuse during interrogations. As any lawyer will tell you, don’t talk to cops without a lawyer present even if totally innocent.

https://www.iflscience.com/innocent-...hbusters-65677
Hmm, the mythbusters episode was about a cig lighting gasoline on fire, but he was accused of using the cig to light the cloth of the molotov? We know that a lit cig can burn fabric, though it requires a bit of time. So I'm not sure if the two are directly related, at least from the standpoint of the episode? How long does it take for the liquid gas in a molotov to absorb all the way to the exposed part of the fabric? How long did they claim he held the cig to the fabric? I always thought the point of the lit fabric was to ignite the fumes of the gas once it's dispersed by the forceful shattering of the glass container? Guess I'm a molotov newb? Did this even factor into the decision to release the man vs the evidence that the confessions were coerced? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:43 PM
 
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But explaining this to the public means you are anti police. You are anti law and order.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:50 PM
 
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But it's a crime to lie to a police officer. The deck is stacked.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:55 PM
 
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There is still plenty of injustice left in this case. The cops haven't been prosecuted as accessories, since they helped the real arsonist killer stay out of prison.
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Old 12-02-2022, 04:58 PM
 
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Hmm, the mythbusters episode was about a cig lighting gasoline on fire, but he was accused of using the cig to light the cloth of the molotov? We know that a lit cig can burn fabric, though it requires a bit of time. So I'm not sure if the two are directly related, at least from the standpoint of the episode? How long does it take for the liquid gas in a molotov to absorb all the way to the exposed part of the fabric? How long did they claim he held the cig to the fabric? I always thought the point of the lit fabric was to ignite the fumes of the gas once it's dispersed by the forceful shattering of the glass container? Guess I'm a molotov newb? Did this even factor into the decision to release the man vs the evidence that the confessions were coerced? Inquiring minds want to know!





Benefit of doubt goes to the accused.


As for police tactics, this sort of manipulation where an isolated individual is told the other guy said you did it and that he/she better make a statement or else expect a long prison sentence seriously needs to end.


It's a blueprint for false accusations and false confessions.
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Old 12-03-2022, 07:30 AM
 
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But it's a crime to lie to a police officer. The deck is stacked.
Tell that to the BLM protester that claimed white frat guys through a lighter on her and set her on fire in Madison, Wi.

The old Bruce Willis lighter toss.

Police checked all the footage and nobody on camera doing it, so they just closed the case after spending 6-figures in extra investigation work.

Deck is stacked alright, I mean how can you fight frat boys that are invisible?
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Old 12-03-2022, 07:40 AM
 
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If anyone deserves reparation it this gentleman.
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