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In the past, the Soviets armed North Vietnam and North Korea which killed many American troops. We also armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan which killed many Soviet troops.
This is just the way it’s always been, but those conflicts didn’t really affect either country directly as far as attacks at home.
But when it happens near the border, or even within the country, that’s on a whole other level. They got close to us in Cuba, and it almost caused WWIII. Now, we (NATO, Ukraine, same thing) are striking within Russia.
That is incredibly dangerous. The US has to lead in this situation. We must bring everyone together and put an end to this now before it’s too late.
I don’t care if Donbas belongs to Russia, but I do care about Russia detonating a tactical nuke in Ukraine.
Also, I don’t buy into the domino theory, that if we let Russia take some territory, that they will go after Poland, the Baltics, Finland, whatever they want. That’s just nonsensical fearmongering.
Think how unpopular the Afghan War was in the U.S. for years among the general population. But if the Taliban ware blowing up industry and military targets in the U.S. a great many people would have changed their tune and rallied to the cause. It's what populations do.
There was an Afghan War because we got attacked on 9/11 and everyone wanted revenge. Then when we got bogged down there the war became unpopular.
You do have a point. But Putin controls the narrative in Russia. Its not like where anti war protests can change politics.
And this should preclude Ukraine from attacking the military hardware being used to try to freeze millions of their citizens to death... how, exactly?
You respond as if this is just some border skirmish and Ukraine risks escalating it into an existential war. For Ukraine, it already IS an existential war. Nobody seems to want to use this word, but let's be honest about the stage this war has now reached: Russia is resorting to straight-up genocide.
If the Russian Federation is indeed resorting to genocide in the sense that you're referring to , then why is it that the OHCHR itself has only recorded a total of 6,557 civilian casualties in the killed category so far ? :
In fact if the real aim of the Russian Federation is to literally exterminate the Ukrainian people , then why hasn't it ( as a WMD possessing state ) already gone ahead and used said WMD's for this purpose ?
After all if a country's leadership is truly that dementedly evil , then it only stands to reason that it wouldn't care one jot for whatever international repercussions would result from undertaking such actions .
But to directly answer your question , Ukraine should refrain from launching such strikes into Russian territory for the same reason it should have refrained from doing many other things :
Namely to find a peaceful and sustainable resolution to this conflict that should have never been .
Unfortunately with the way things are now the odds of that materializing seem to be virtually zero , yet that isn't because such a state of affairs was always meant to be , but because many different actors on all sides of this conflict have deliberately refused to push for a peaceful/sustainable resolution .
I am not saying that at all. I do support Ukraine in this war. But I support America much more and worry about what is next. However if Ukraine attacked Russia. Doing this is not going to stop Putin from his genocide. It likely will escalate it.
So Ukraine attacks Russia. Russia attacks Poland and we have the beginnings of WW3 or worse Russia nukes Ukraine. One of those two will be the next step if Ukraine actually attacked Russia. At the very least they are going to bomb Kiev into rubble.
If the Russian Federation is indeed resorting to genocide in the sense that you're referring to , then why is it that the OHCHR itself has only recorded a total of 6,557 civilian casualties in the killed category so far ? :
In fact if the real aim of the Russian Federation is to literally exterminate the Ukrainian people , then why hasn't it ( as a WMD possessing state ) already gone ahead and used said WMD's for this purpose ?
After all if a country's leadership is truly that dementedly evil , then it only stands to reason that it wouldn't care one jot for whatever international repercussions would result from undertaking such actions .
But to directly answer your question , Ukraine should refrain from launching such strikes into Russian territory for the same reason it should have refrained from doing many other things :
Namely to find a peaceful and sustainable resolution to this conflict that should have never been .
Unfortunately with the way things are now the odds of that materializing seem to be virtually zero , yet that isn't because such a state of affairs was always meant to be , but because many different actors on all sides of this conflict have deliberately refused to push for a peaceful/sustainable resolution .
...."peaceful/sustainable resolution"....and what would that be? Ukraine letting Russia
keep territory Russia has taken by force?
Putin started this and Putin can easily end this...by having Russian forces retreat back to
Russia where they belong.
If the Russian Federation is indeed resorting to genocide in the sense that you're referring to , then why is it that the OHCHR itself has only recorded a total of 6,557 civilian casualties in the killed category so far ? :
In fact if the real aim of the Russian Federation is to literally exterminate the Ukrainian people , then why hasn't it ( as a WMD possessing state ) already gone ahead and used said WMD's for this purpose ?
After all if a country's leadership is truly that dementedly evil , then it only stands to reason that it wouldn't care one jot for whatever international repercussions would result from undertaking such actions .
But to directly answer your question , Ukraine should refrain from launching such strikes into Russian territory for the same reason it should have refrained from doing many other things :
Namely to find a peaceful and sustainable resolution to this conflict that should have never been .
Unfortunately with the way things are now the odds of that materializing seem to be virtually zero , yet that isn't because such a state of affairs was always meant to be , but because many different actors on all sides of this conflict have deliberately refused to push for a peaceful/sustainable resolution .
1) Genocide doesn't require exterminating an entire people (or attempt to do so) to constitute genocide;
2) Ukraine has already ceded territory to Russia twice in 12 years. That still wasn't enough for Russia. Ukraine has zero reason to believe they can achieve a long-term peace with Russia by ceding even more. This has become an existential war for Ukraine and they have no moral, legal, or practical obligation to refrain from attacking military targets within their aggressor's borders.
The explosions—which may have been missile or drone strikes but that has yet to be confirmed—suggest that whoever is behind them wanted to strike fear right in the heart of Russia.
I would say invading a neighboring country and killing thousands of civilians is a much bigger provocation.
In the past, the Soviets armed North Vietnam and North Korea which killed many American troops. We also armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan which killed many Soviet troops.
This is just the way it’s always been, but those conflicts didn’t really affect either country directly as far as attacks at home.
But when it happens near the border, or even within the country, that’s on a whole other level. They got close to us in Cuba, and it almost caused WWIII. Now, we (NATO, Ukraine, same thing) are striking within Russia.
That is incredibly dangerous. The US has to lead in this situation. We must bring everyone together and put an end to this now before it’s too late.
I don’t care if Donbas belongs to Russia, but I do care about Russia detonating a tactical nuke in Ukraine.
Also, I don’t buy into the domino theory, that if we let Russia take some territory, that they will go after Poland, the Baltics, Finland, whatever they want. That’s just nonsensical fearmongering.
History disagrees with you. Once Russia tastes blood, they don’t stop. If Ukraine falls to Russia, the Baltics, Kazakhstan, or Georgia is next.
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