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Old 12-07-2022, 08:20 AM
 
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And once again...brave ANTIFA takes on fascism by donning masks and commiting fearless actions of vandalism against a bunch of middle aged lesbians holding a peaceful protest.

#sarcasm
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Old 12-07-2022, 08:24 AM
 
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Excellent question. Why do we separate by gender?
I guess a correctional center in Illinois back in the late 80's was co-ed.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/01/u...hat%20of%20men.

It even had a little baby boom...how sweet.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...740-story.html

For whatever reasons, it no longer is co-ed.
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Old 12-07-2022, 08:26 AM
 
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I guess a correctional center in Illinois back in the late 80's was co-ed.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/01/u...hat%20of%20men.

It even had a little baby boom...how sweet.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...740-story.html

For whatever reasons, it no longer is co-ed.
Yeah, the pregnant gals get special treatment, food etc.
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Old 12-07-2022, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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You have made it clear that you don’t “yanno ” care about violence against women in prison if you’re all in on increasing that risk by letting bio men share cells with them.
Would you stop with this BS? Everyone cares about that concern. But you apparently don't have any other concern- you don't care about ANYONE or ANYTHING else in the world, and then you claim that anyone who does, anyone who dares ever try to ever balance any other concerns- therefore is a misogynist who hates women.

Like if 200 trans women got raped or worse because they were sent to men's prison facility, that would be better outcome to you than 1 person who was born with a penis and lives as a woman, ever sharing a prison with women.

The genders/sexes are equal. Every single human being's safety from assault/rape, deserves equal weight and concern.

These TERF's were not concerned with women in prison until the trans issue came up. Now it's a convenient excuse.
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Old 12-07-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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Would you stop with this BS? Everyone cares about that concern. But you apparently don't have any other concern- you don't care about ANYONE or ANYTHING else in the world, and then you claim that anyone who does, anyone who dares ever try to ever balance any other concerns- therefore is a misogynist who hates women.

Like if 200 trans women got raped or worse because they were sent to men's prison facility, that would be better outcome to you than 1 person who was born with a penis and lives as a woman, ever sharing a prison with women.

The genders/sexes are equal. Every single human being's safety from assault/rape, deserves equal weight and concern.

These TERF's were not concerned with women in prison until the trans issue came up. Now it's a convenient excuse.
Why won’t you answer the question regarding making all prisons genderless?
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Old 12-07-2022, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Would you stop with this BS? Everyone cares about that concern. But you apparently don't have any other concern- you don't care about ANYONE or ANYTHING else in the world, and then you claim that anyone who does, anyone who dares ever try to ever balance any other concerns- therefore is a misogynist who hates women.

Like if 200 trans women got raped or worse because they were sent to men's prison facility, that would be better outcome to you than 1 person who was born with a penis and lives as a woman, ever sharing a prison with women.

The genders/sexes are equal. Every single human being's safety from assault/rape, deserves equal weight and concern.

These TERF's were not concerned with women in prison until the trans issue came up. Now it's a convenient excuse.
I think that is an unfair statement. But you are right in that the trans MAN being put in a womens prison has highlighted their plight. Yes, male warders might abuse women in prison as in raping them. Or at least we hear about women getting pregnant in prison and it sure wasn't a fellow inmate that caused it so we assume the women were raped. But were they? We don't know. But putting a biological male in a prison cell with a woman is a no-no.

As for a biological male trans person in a men's prison getting raped - why the sudden outrage of men in in prison being raped by other men in prison? What about the non-trans men in prison getting raped? Are you not concerned or outraged by that? Why the suddenly outrage at a male who happens to be trans being raped in prison? It's a person, a human being (although one might question that status unless they are falsely convicted), who is being raped or otherwise being abused. But to deliberately set a woman up for rape in prison is outrageous.
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Old 12-07-2022, 10:13 AM
 
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"Derail"- just because I'm not part of your right wing echo chamber chorus at this wretched corner of the web? Glad to not be. This is an anti-trans bigot fringe movement of 'feminists', and I'm calling that out.

Yeah, and we're not talking about physical biology. If someone is a trans person, then they are a trans person. I at least grant them that. And I use the pronouns people want to be called by, because, you know, I'm not a jerk.

Sex and gender identity, may not be the same thing. And whether a trans woman is a woman or not (or vice versa), I don't know what the answer is on all that. Not sure. But trans people do clearly exist, and we should not deny them their experience, or their rights or dignity as a transgendered person.

Because we all know what the core of this movement is actually about, rather than what it claims to be about. It's about women who are against the existence/acknowledgment/respecting of trans women.

1. It's not a 'fringe movement of feminists' anymore!
Many diverse groups, including parents, scholars, scientists, journalists, doctors, philosophers, and heck even a toe of the Liberal Flagship New York Times, are joining the fray to challenge this anti-reality, 'feelings' based ideology that uses neo-fascist tactics at every turn to stifle free speech and honest dissent.
..and p.s. We ARE talking about 'physical' biology.. is there even another kind?

2. Transwomen do exist and no one denies their right to live unfettered as the opposite sex.
But Transwomen are MEN and demands to be treated as real women must be met with a hard NO.
It is nonsense to claim such privileges as 'rights'.
That is the core lie of radical trans-ideology!

3.The core of this growing movement is advocating for a return to sanity which requires the acceptance of sex as a binary and which is the foundational feature of women's sex-based rights, not to be diminished by the unbounded and creative 'feelings' of ANYONE.
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Old 12-07-2022, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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And once again...brave ANTIFA takes on fascism by donning masks and commiting fearless actions of vandalism against a bunch of middle aged lesbians holding a peaceful protest.

#sarcasm
Another poster asked what the outrage was concerning these brave souls fighting against fascism .....

Like as though women protesting being put in danger in prison is an act of fascism. And just because they call themselves anti-fascist, does not mean that they are anti-fascist. But the left seem to love them. They don't seem to realise that the name antifa comes from the violent arm of the socialists who were vying for power against the fascists. Two violent groups with bad intent. Or maybe they do realize it? Yup - I think they know full well.
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Old 12-07-2022, 10:40 AM
 
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I'm just going to go ahead like the woman in the early article and blame a wide group of people for the actions of a tiny portion of far left nutjobs.

This is all the fault of midandry.
But Mathguy, they are NOT JUST a tiny portion of far-left nutjobs.
They are shielded from criticism as an oppressed minority and have gained sway over a vast terrain of the cultural landscape. The result is unchallenged (till now) misogynistic and homophobic policy precedents that impinge upon the rights of others and harms the lives of those who dare to disagree.
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Old 12-07-2022, 10:40 AM
 
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I would say it’s more of a problem with forcing women to accept men in their spaces than a problem with actual trans people.

Dana is a bio man who brutally and viciously murdered a lesbian couple and their son. Anyone who cares about women would not support allowing Dana into a women’s.
Dana will probably always be in a high security if not solitary situations. In California 90 percent or trans are denied transfer to female prison. I suspect being non violent is a consideration for transfer. Dana doesn’t come close to consideration on that front alone.
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