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Old 12-06-2022, 01:40 PM
 
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Eberstadt first noted the decline in the number of men with jobs in his 2016 book, Men Without Work

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-...150000193.html

It's clear from some of the comments that people didn't read the article or understand it.

This trend started before COVID and like most 'cracks' in our system COVID seemed to create bigger cracks.

It seems most are not young people if many are leaving to take care of a child or elderly parent, so I'm not sure why we blame young people...easy I guess.

College-educated women are now participating in the labor force at the same rate they were before the pandemic, while the share of college-educated men working or actively looking for work has lessened. (from the same article cited above in my post)

Wait a minute -- are women taking over the world -- mwahahahaha

Watch out guys.......
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:40 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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What is a man today?
Good question. Many American men have abandoned their role as leaders, at home and elsewhere.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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I mean single income vs dual income households post covid.
good enough. from the BLS https://www.bls.gov/news.release/famee.nr0.htm


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In 2021, 78.5 percent of families had at least one employed family member, up from
78.2 percent in 2020 but below the 2019 share of 81.2 percent. From 2020 to 2021, the
likelihood of having an employed family member increased for Black (to 76.6 percent
of families), Asian (86.2 percent), and Hispanic (85.0 percent) families, but changed
little for White families (78.1 percent). Black families were the least likely to
have an employed family member in 2021. (See table 1.)

Families maintained by women remained less likely to have an employed member
(75.7 percent) in 2021 than families maintained by men (82.4 percent) or married-
couple families (78.7 percent). Among married-couple families, both spouses were
employed in 46.8 percent of families, up from 45.5 percent in the prior year. In
2021, only one spouse was employed in 25.3 percent of married-couple families, down
from 26.7 percent in 2020. (See table 2.)
and the noted "Table 2": https://www.bls.gov/news.release/famee.t02.htm
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Good question. Many American men have abandoned their role as leaders, at home and elsewhere.
On the flip side of that, there is nothing for them to lead.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Fantasy land. There is no COVID relief ongoing.
Not for individuals, but there still is funds available for some employers.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:44 PM
 
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Basically, this. A recent article in the Financial Times (behind a paywall, so I won't link it) considered the labor-force participation rate among different age groups... 20-25, 25-30 and so on. How did this participation rate evolve over recent years? It turns out that post-Covid, there was a big drop in the participation rate for the 50-65 contingent. Simply put, people are choosing to retire early. It isn't because 30-year-olds are lazy and alienated and devoting their precious time to video games... but because 50-year-olds are, ahem, spending more time on City Data.
actually, it's in the 60-65 group. LFPR drops from ~90% under 50, to 85% for 50-54, 80% for 55-59, down to 64% for 60-64
IF this is about forced early retirement (something I am intimately familiar with) I can understand the figure.

The large corporation I worked for forced me into retirement in 2019. They had the excuse ready-made for them: Covid recession ... they promptly laid off all the older workers they could get away with, and I was one of them.

Now they are looking for help in the same line of work, advertising for weeks at a time but they have not rung my phone.

This lay off forced me to take Social Security before I had planned to, and I had a hell of a time finding a job at my age. (My situation turned out all right eventually, not so for many other people)

Almost no one wants to hire older folks, except maybe for greeters at Walmart and for school bus drivers part time. Statistically many men in late fifties or nearing 65 will not be given offers because companies don't want to hire people who will retire in four or five years, they would rather hire young (usually less well paid) workers who will quit for a better job in four or five years.

I don't see how this statistic could be 'chilling' to this Mike Rowe fellow, it is exactly how major corporations wanted it. So when they go screaming that they can't find enough workers, what they really mean is they can't find enough young people to trap in low paying jobs for years on end to replace the older experienced people they threw out on the street.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:44 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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On the flip side of that, there is nothing for them to lead.
A man should, at a minimum, lead his family. Some would say rule.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:45 PM
 
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Mike Rowe is a celebrity who has opinions.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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A man should, at a minimum, lead his family. Some would say rule.
These days, a man can really only do that to the extent that his wife allows him.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:48 PM
 
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Listen, hon. If you want to really feel oppressed, pick up an M-16 and charge the enemy line.

Until you've done that, you have no idea what real oppression is.

Let's see what women like you have to say when you have full equality, including the equality of dying on the battlefield in the tens of thousands.

The fact women live longer than men is because their lives are generally easier.
Women live longer because of lifestyle and biology. Men have more dangerous jobs, higher suicide rate, heart disease, cancer, etc. due to testosterone vs estrogen, smoking, drinking, bad diet, not taking care of themselves, XY chromosomes.


So oppression is joining the Army?
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