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Old 12-06-2022, 10:07 PM
 
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Hear me out. Normally I'd be opposed to handouts. However, let's get real, we're giving endless handouts to FOREIGNERS, for example hundreds of billions to Ukraine and untold billions to illegal aliens all in just one year. Add on other forms of foreign aid and the UN budget. How about instead of subsidizing foreigners we instead embrace diverting some of that money to relieve US Citizens of their education debt.

It would be a winning issue for Republicans and, by emphasizing this is only for US Citizens, would be completely consistent with a populist America-first agenda that is inevitably the GOP's only future. Stop it with the handouts to foreigners.

Of course, the republicans are too milquetoast to realize this.
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Old 12-06-2022, 10:08 PM
 
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How about we stop printing money out of thin air and using it to buy votes
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Old 12-06-2022, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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How about we stop printing money out of thin air and using it to buy votes

When you understand the reality that the people in government believe it is their job to create as much money as possible to to fill the public's trough, you can then understand why your wish will never come to fruition... At least not here in the USA. It would be instant great depression 2.0.



If ever a politician made that happen, they would be utterly annihilated in the political arena as unemployment skyrockets to 40% and American's contemplate if life is really worth living. For the vast majority, America = $$$. Take away the money and what are you left with??? The Patriot Act? Joe Biden? People so confused, they can't figure out their own gender? The country would be doomed.
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Old 12-06-2022, 10:22 PM
 
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Hear me out. Normally I'd be opposed to handouts. However, let's get real, we're giving endless handouts to FOREIGNERS, for example hundreds of billions to Ukraine and untold billions to illegal aliens all in just one year. Add on other forms of foreign aid and the UN budget. How about instead of subsidizing foreigners we instead embrace diverting some of that money to relieve US Citizens of their education debt.

It would be a winning issue for Republicans and, by emphasizing this is only for US Citizens, would be completely consistent with a populist America-first agenda that is inevitably the GOP's only future. Stop it with the handouts to foreigners.

Of course, the republicans are too milquetoast to realize this.
You're not relieving US citizens of any debt.

You are just transferring it from one debt column (education debt) to another debt column (overall national debt).

Government should not be in the student loan business.
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Old 12-06-2022, 11:41 PM
 
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You're not relieving US citizens of any debt.

You are just transferring it from one debt column (education debt) to another debt column (overall national debt).

Government should not be in the student loan business.
It shouldn't. It also shouldn't be in the business of giving away money to Ukraine and foreigners who flout or immigration law. But it does so anyway. Might as well give some of that money to OUR people.
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Old 12-07-2022, 04:05 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Hear me out. Normally I'd be opposed to handouts. However, let's get real, we're giving endless handouts to FOREIGNERS, for example hundreds of billions to Ukraine and untold billions to illegal aliens all in just one year. Add on other forms of foreign aid and the UN budget. How about instead of subsidizing foreigners we instead embrace diverting some of that money to relieve US Citizens of their education debt.

It would be a winning issue for Republicans and, by emphasizing this is only for US Citizens, would be completely consistent with a populist America-first agenda that is inevitably the GOP's only future. Stop it with the handouts to foreigners.

Of course, the republicans are too milquetoast to realize this.
I'm fine with this, as long as it's based on hardship cases and not just blanket handouts and vote buying.
And everyone who borrowed money needs to continue to pay at least some of it back.
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Old 12-07-2022, 04:12 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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The government should wipe out all the student loan debt while also at the same time ending the loan program.
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Old 12-07-2022, 04:17 AM
 
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Hear me out. Normally I'd be opposed to handouts. However, let's get real, we're giving endless handouts to FOREIGNERS, for example hundreds of billions to Ukraine and untold billions to illegal aliens all in just one year. Add on other forms of foreign aid and the UN budget. How about instead of subsidizing foreigners we instead embrace diverting some of that money to relieve US Citizens of their education debt.

It would be a winning issue for Republicans and, by emphasizing this is only for US Citizens, would be completely consistent with a populist America-first agenda that is inevitably the GOP's only future. Stop it with the handouts to foreigners.

Of course, the republicans are too milquetoast to realize this.
Do you really see these as equivalent with the only difference is that in one case the money is going to “foreigners” vs. US citizens? You may disagree with the policy, but sending money to Ukraine isn’t being done to relieve their citizens of student debt…it’s an attempt to support liberal democracies, preserve the rights of countries for self determination, etc. Don’t you think those issues are more global, but still very relevant and important to people here?
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Old 12-07-2022, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Do you really see these as equivalent with the only difference is that in one case the money is going to “foreigners” vs. US citizens? You may disagree with the policy, but sending money to Ukraine isn’t being done to relieve their citizens of student debt…it’s an attempt to support liberal democracies, preserve the rights of countries for self determination, etc. Don’t you think those issues are more global, but still very relevant and important to people here?
Let me clear up the Ukraine situation for you. We aren't sending money there to support democracy. You've got to be kidding with that statement. Good Lord.
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Old 12-07-2022, 04:22 AM
 
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It shouldn't. It also shouldn't be in the business of giving away money to Ukraine and foreigners who flout or immigration law. But it does so anyway. Might as well give some of that money to OUR people.
Do you don’t think the US (and the rest of the world’s liberal democracies) have any legitimate interest in helping to preserve Ukraine’s independence? No benefit?
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