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A group was denied service because of its religious beliefs.
That is illegal discrimination.
Then the baking for Jesus chick had no right to refuse to make a cake for a same-sex wedding since discrimination based on sexual orientation is also illegal. But yet many on the Right cheered her on.
Leviticus 20:13 says that gay men should be put to death. Does it not?
I'm just trying to imagine myself in the shoes of a gay man, who had a business establishment in a supposed free country and free market capitalist society, and a Christian walked in the door. "Hi, yes, I believe that a perfect, infallible being created the entire universe and everything in it, and wrote a perfect, infallible text, which states that you should be put to death, because you are attracted to men, and that is an abomination. I believe that you and your gay employees should be put to death, and I would like service here at your establishment from your gay employees. And if you will not serve me, then that is discrimination and you are a bigot."
I mean, you can do business with who you want to do business with, or not. Everyone can vote with their wallet. It's supposed to be a marketplace of ideas, and if we lack the right to discriminate against certain ideas, then how can better ones emerge?
Leviticus 20:13 says that gay men should be put to death. Does it not?
I'm just trying to imagine myself in the shoes of a gay man, who had a business establishment in a supposed free country and free market capitalist society, and a Christian walked in the door. "Hi, yes, I believe that a perfect, infallible being created the entire universe and everything in it, and wrote a perfect, infallible text, which states that you should be put to death, because you are attracted to men, and that is an abomination. I believe that you and your gay employees should be put to death, and I would like service here at your establishment from your gay employees. And if you will not serve me, then that is discrimination and you are a bigot."
I mean, you can do business with who you want to do business with, or not. Everyone can vote with their wallet. It's supposed to be a marketplace of ideas, and if we lack the right to discriminate against certain ideas, then how can better ones emerge?
Is it, or is it not, possible to find something equally objectionable, by modern standards, in the Koran? And assuming it is, why would it not be OK to refuse Muslims service at your restaurant, based on your reasoning above? It's the same thing, no?
Is it, or is it not, possible to find something equally objectionable, by modern standards, in the Koran? And assuming it is, why would it not be OK to refuse Muslims service at your restaurant, based on your reasoning above? It's the same thing, no?
Absolutely yes. It should be completely okay to refuse either. Christianity and Islam are the 2 great poisons of the world, IMO. Their ridiculous, false, disproven doctrines are holding humanity back and causing suffering, to say the least, and it's about time that we the sane, should be standing up against both religions.
Now, refusing a person of Arab descent because they're of Arab descent, is a completely different matter. So we have to be careful to be making that clear distinction. The bad and unacceptable kind of discrimination is when we're talking about an attribute of someone. What they look like, who they're romantically interested in, etc. That's discrimination and bigotry.
Discriminating against ideas is good discrimination, as far as I'm concerned. Because some ideas are terrible. There should be these type of social pressures against them.
Absolutely yes. It should be completely okay to refuse either. Christianity and Islam are the 2 great poisons of the world, IMO. Their ridiculous, false, disproven doctrines are holding humanity back and causing suffering, to say the least, and it's about time that we the sane, should be standing up against both religions.
Now, refusing a person of Arab descent because they're of Arab descent, is a completely different matter. So we have to be careful to be making that clear distinction. The bad and unacceptable kind of discrimination is when we're talking about an attribute of someone. What they look like, who they're romantically interested in, etc. That's discrimination and bigotry.
Discriminating against ideas is good discrimination, as far as I'm concerned. Because some ideas are terrible. There should be these type of social pressures against them.
We disagree, then. I don't think it's desirable for a business to discriminate against someone for being Muslim (and certainly, it's not legal). But thank you for clarifying.
I just don't understand how someone could feel threatened by someones ideas? We hear about this happening on college campuses all the time, where a Conservative speaker is invited to speak and half of the students form up in protest while the other half go to their safe spaces. It is words people not bullets.
Some people are just so weak minded to be offended by such things.
What Christian group is Not against Abortion? It doesn't mean that they hate women or that women such as the wait staff at that restaurant should fear them.
Staff "dignity" ? what does that have to do with anything? If we apply their logic to any other group such as Native Americans it smacks of Racism but Christians are an open and approved target for hate.
I do have a question though. If this restaurant refuses to serve Christians because of their beliefs I wonder if somewhere in that Restaurant they have any Christmas decorations? If they do then they are hypocrites.
I’m fine with this decision. Same with the Colorado bakery decision. The restaurant didn’t want to hold the event that went against their beliefs. The bakery didn’t want to create a cake that went against their beliefs. As long as both establishments don’t refuse to serve any individual based on their religious beliefs.
We disagree, then. I don't think it's desirable for a business to discriminate against someone for being Muslim (and certainly, it's not legal). But thank you for clarifying.
I mean, if someone says, I'm a Muslim, but I support your rights, then obviously that's a bit different. It's not about people like that. Though we can get into a whole side debate about moderate/liberal religious people.
But IMO, if we are being truly honest, accurate, and technical about these things, a Muslim is someone who chooses to adhere to a belief system, known as Islam. Right? The doctrine of which, clearly condemns homosexuality, which we can clearly see manifest in the practices of Muslim countries, and its horrific executions and such. A Muslim is someone who think that that religion is true.
It's definitely a lot of grey area. But yeah, I fully support discrimination based on beliefs. You shouldn't be able to just have any type of horrific beliefs under the sun, and expect full social acceptance at every turn.
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