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So, anyone at an obviously Jewish deli, who refused entry to people trying to walk in there in Nazi SS uniforms, they should be fired. How dare they feel uncomfortable, I mean, these poor Final Solution advocates were just wanting a bagel.
They're welcome to bring the case- I'm pretty confident they'd lose. But with the SCOTUS being a ridiculous 6-3 right winger outfit, maybe they'd have a chance there on appeal. I don't know.
In a sane world, you should be able to refuse service at your own business to people who oppose your freaking existence and basic rights and dignity.
Most here do not own their own business and it shows.
If my employees refused to serve ANYONE for any reason, except for their physical safety, they would no longer have a job. If they are uncomfortable serving people that hold different beliefs they shouldn't be in the service industry where they certainly will encounter someone that holds those views. It IS that simple.
Yes, I have owned a restaurant and had a customer who was vocal around town with their views about gay people. One particular server was gay and knew the customer and his views. The server, however, was a professional and did the job that was required. Only those of us in the back of the house ever knew the complete disdain in which he held that customer. He never complained about having to wait on the customer. He did, quite passionately, let us know what he thought of said customer but, assured us that that would never interfere with his job. In the five years he worked for us, it didn't. That is maturity and professionalism.
No person should be forced to interact with those with whom they are uncomfortable. However, when one signs on to a job in which contact with the public is necessary they should just do that job to the best of their ability and that includes waiting on people that hold views to which the employee is diametrically opposed.
Thank you for that post of sane reasoning.
People have become totally unhinged in this society.
The group's reason for being (anti gay activists) is by its nature disrespecting gay people.
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No, it isn't. Broadly speaking, it's to pursue legislative reform that happens to run mostly counter to a particular LGBT agenda, and agenda which isn't even necessarily supported by all LGBT people. Find me something in their mission statement that talks about disrespecting gay people.
Not that this matters anyway. When you go out to eat with work colleagues, do you expect the staff to comb through your organization's mission statement? If they did, and they told you to leave, wouldn't you wonder what type of biases went into the decision on their end?
How can you say that a group whose reason for being is to take rights away from gay people are not doing something detrimental to gay people?
How can you say that a group whose reason for being is to take rights away from gay people are not doing something detrimental to gay people?
Sorry, your "logic" does not compute.
I didn't say "detrimental." Don't put words in my mouth, please. By the way, all sorts of political groups do all sorts of stuff that's detrimental to me all the time. That's life.
YOU said the group's raison d'etre was to be disrespectful to gay people. But it isn't. It's just that the causes they are pursuing generally run counter to a particular LGBT agenda. Doesn't mean they don't respect gay people as people. And again, it doesn't matter anyway. If you're kicking someone out of your restaurant because of their political activities, one, as Ibginnie said, that's f***ing stupid and cowardly, and two, you better be sure you're not illegally letting certain biases creep into that decision.
So, anyone at an obviously Jewish deli, who refused entry to people trying to walk in there in Nazi SS uniforms, they should be fired. How dare they feel uncomfortable, I mean, these poor Final Solution advocates were just wanting a bagel.
They're welcome to bring the case- I'm pretty confident they'd lose. But with the SCOTUS being a ridiculous 6-3 right winger outfit, maybe they'd have a chance there on appeal. I don't know.
In a sane world, you should be able to refuse service at your own business to people who oppose your freaking existence and basic rights and dignity.
To your first point..........yes. They have the right to feel uncomfortable. They do not have the right to refuse service. JMHO
To your last point....yes. However, you are conflating two points. One where the employee is calling the shots and the other where the OWNER is calling the shots.
No person has a right to tell me how to run my business unless they are a monetary partner in said business or local, state or federal laws.
There's a bright-line difference between refusing service based on what someone does (hate speech) versus who they are (sexuality, skin-color, etc.). Note that the group's relevant defining characteristic wasn't "being Christian" (one has to assume, being America, most of their clients are Christian), but rather their activism against gay people.
Edit: One would think the group would be grateful to avoid being served by evil gays.
I waited tables for years through high school and college and my sexual orientation nor stance on abortion ever influenced my ability to do my job nor ever came up in conversation with customers.
Was it the intent of this group to give speeches against sexuality and abortion or demonstrate at this gathering?
I waited tables for years through high school and college and my sexual orientation nor stance on abortion ever influenced my ability to do my job nor ever came up in conversation with customers.
Was it the intent of this group to give speeches against sexuality and abortion or demonstrate at this gathering?
It's fascinating how someone can state that the group's "relevant defining characteristic" wasn't being Christian, when I can go to their website and see some sort of reference to God or the Bible in nearly every sentence of their "Who We Are" blurb.
Some people genuinely seem to have convinced themselves that their poor interpretations of reality are absolute truth. And that if they just run their mouth enough, no one will see that they're just making up their own reality as they go, in order to fit their ideology. It's amazing.
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