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Old 12-09-2022, 07:00 AM
 
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Otherwise known as taxation by citation.


Anyway I was thinking



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You need to think harder about what happens if you don't enforce something like payment of taxes or certain features like garbage collection and the externalities.

You can shut off power, but if you shut off garbage collection what happens with the neighborhood as they just mound trash in the yard or perhaps burn it?

If they don't pay property taxes for schools, fire dept. do you just give them all free service? Then what happens when everyone realizes you don't have to pay?
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Old 12-09-2022, 07:01 AM
 
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You need to think harder about what happens if you don't enforce something like payment of taxes or certain features like garbage collection and the externalities.

You can shut off power, but if you shut off garbage collection what happens with the neighborhood as they just mound trash in the yard or perhaps burn it?

If they don't pay property taxes for schools, fire dept. do you just give them all free service? Then what happens when everyone realizes you don't have to pay?
Good point except for the fire dept part. I know some counties will just send the fire department out to make sure that the fire doesnt spread but wont do anything about the building on fire if they didnt pay taxes for that part.
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Old 12-09-2022, 07:08 AM
 
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Straight from the British tabloid:

Rubbish! Simply rubbish...
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Old 12-09-2022, 07:11 AM
 
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As usual -- always details left out in some of the reporting.
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This is the second time Menefield has been arrested for not paying her trash bill. The first was in 2006, when she was hit with a $206.54 invoice. The case was later dismissed “upon compliance.” Since then, she has had 22 “incidents” where the trash services were either suspended or revoked, making this a chronic issue between her and the trash service debt collectors.

So there's more to this story.

The claims in the article is that the community tried to pay the bill (which suggests they knew her bill was unpaid) but they couldn't. So why not give the old ldady the money and take her to pay the bill.

Might be time for the daughter to get that power of attorney.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2022/12...77-trash-bill/
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Old 12-09-2022, 03:35 PM
 
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Maybe the old woman can't afford to pay the bill.
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Old 12-10-2022, 06:58 AM
 
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Good point except for the fire dept part. I know some counties will just send the fire department out to make sure that the fire doesnt spread but wont do anything about the building on fire if they didnt pay taxes for that part.
In your example, the fire service being provided is for the communities benefit and not the non-payers.
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Old 12-10-2022, 08:33 AM
 
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As usual -- always details left out in some of the reporting.
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This is the second time Menefield has been arrested for not paying her trash bill. The first was in 2006, when she was hit with a $206.54 invoice. The case was later dismissed “upon compliance.” Since then, she has had 22 “incidents” where the trash services were either suspended or revoked, making this a chronic issue between her and the trash service debt collectors.

So there's more to this story.

The claims in the article is that the community tried to pay the bill (which suggests they knew her bill was unpaid) but they couldn't. So why not give the old ldady the money and take her to pay the bill.

Might be time for the daughter to get that power of attorney.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2022/12...77-trash-bill/
I never heard of any agency or company that would not accept payment from someone other than the person who owes. That statement about the community not being allowed to pay has to be bogus. It's more likely that one neighbor tried to collect money from other neighbors and nobody wanted to contribute.
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Old 12-10-2022, 08:50 AM
 
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The real answer, which will of course be ignored by others in further comments going forward.

She had a warrant for failure to appear, and there are no rules in the system saying warrants do or don't get served based on being a senior.
Having worked in the code enforcement court we would see this a lot. Someone would fail to appear and years later end up back in court on a warrant, either by arrest or by finding out through other means that they had one. The judge will typically vacate the warrant and the municipal prosecutors would do their best to dispose of the case. Something like this would probably end up settled for $25 - $50.
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Old 12-12-2022, 05:57 AM
 
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In your example, the fire service being provided is for the communities benefit and not the non-payers.
I never said otherwise.
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Old 12-12-2022, 06:22 AM
 
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I never heard of any agency or company that would not accept payment from someone other than the person who owes. That statement about the community not being allowed to pay has to be bogus. It's more likely that one neighbor tried to collect money from other neighbors and nobody wanted to contribute.
Oh good point. I did think it was odd.
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