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Old 12-11-2022, 07:59 PM
 
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All of those come from the Old Testament, and tell you what you should not do. Jesus' coming negated the old laws when he began preaching. The Sermon on the Mount, which gives instructions as to what you should do, would be a far better and more valid piece of scripture to quote as regards human behavior.

As I stated previously, religion should be banned instead of gay marriage, and the beliefs of one religion should never be allowed to inform making laws that govern all regardless of the belief system they follow or don't follow. You might as well use the Brothers Grimm if you want to establish laws based on fairy tales. Lack of religion would make the need for laws dealing with what are currently called "protected classes" under the law unnecessary because there would be equal treatment for all people.

The Respect for Marriage Act is an attempt to protect "othered" people from discrimination by privileged classes.



Freedom of religion is a Constitutional right.

Gay marriage isn't.

But the "respect for marriage act" is a solution in search of a problem.

 
Old 12-11-2022, 08:04 PM
 
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First amendment. First commandment. Pick.


I'm not particularly religious......

So you'll have to expand on how the two are contradictory.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 08:13 PM
 
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Freedom of religion is a Constitutional right.

Gay marriage isn't.

But the "respect for marriage act" is a solution in search of a problem.
Pretty sure our founders had no idea what a gay person was. So of course it wouldn't be in the constitution.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 08:17 PM
 
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Pretty sure our founders had no idea what a gay person was. So of course it wouldn't be in the constitution.
Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of human history.

In most societies, it was condemned and considered to be abnormal.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 08:22 PM
 
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If there is no father in the household, how does a child see an example of a good father; if there is no mother in the household, how does a child see an example of a good mother?
The same way millions of children do - including me, someone raised with a mother and a father who have been married for 40 years. They look to their friends' parents, religious leaders or coaches, or other adults in their life. If I had to rely on my father, the man in the household, for an example of a good father or how I should expect to be treated in a relationship, well I'd just be in a world of hurt.

The hoops that gay and lesbian couples generally have to jump through in order to have kids generally make them *more* appropriate as caregivers, rather than less.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 08:34 PM
 
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Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of human history.

In most societies, it was condemned and considered to be abnormal.
Yes, I know that. People condemn things they don't understand but it doesn't stop people from being who they are. Here we are though in 2022 still harboring thoughts that they are abnormal and teaching our kids that. We would have much less prejudice and violence if people would just accept everyone and teach their kids to do the same.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 08:51 PM
 
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Freedom of religion is a Constitutional right.

Gay marriage isn't.

But the "respect for marriage act" is a solution in search of a problem.
The court ruling that created the right to gay marriage was unconstitutional. It should be overturned as there is no constitutional right to gay marriage.

At least the way this has been done is legitimate and constitutional. First and foremost we must protect our constitution. Congress has coded this into law which is what they have been given the constitutional power to do. The Supreme Court never had the right to do what it did. Whether one supports gay marriage or not at least this is constitutional.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 09:26 PM
 
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The court ruling that created the right to gay marriage was unconstitutional. It should be overturned as there is no constitutional right to gay marriage.

At least the way this has been done is legitimate and constitutional. First and foremost we must protect our constitution. Congress has coded this into law which is what they have been given the constitutional power to do. The Supreme Court never had the right to do what it did. Whether one supports gay marriage or not at least this is constitutional.

Constitutional in form..yes.

Immune from being overturned?

No.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 09:27 PM
 
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Pretty sure our founders had no idea what a gay person was. So of course it wouldn't be in the constitution.

Lolz.

I certainly hope you're joking.
 
Old 12-11-2022, 09:35 PM
 
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Constitutional in form..yes.

Immune from being overturned?

No.
Oh it could certainly be overturned. A constitutional amendment is the only way to give it more permanence. Any law (or court created right) can be overturned. Constitutional amendments are difficult to pass and difficult to repeal.
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