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Old 12-12-2022, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Can I borrow that one? Hilarious.
sure, it's all yours

 
Old 12-12-2022, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I don't know how many different ways you need to hear this, but if you can't back up your hearsay, it is BS, and gets thrown out.
Agreed.

You can use hearsay as a motivator for yourself, in seeking to get to the bottom of things and find the truth, but you cannot use it in a court room.

Substituting hearsay for facts is only permissible when you are trying to impeach a US president, or destroy the career and reputation of a Supreme Court nominee.
 
Old 12-12-2022, 03:08 PM
 
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Agreed.

You can use hearsay as a motivator for yourself, in seeking to get to the bottom of things and find the truth, but you cannot use it in a court room.

Substituting hearsay for facts is only permissible when you are trying to impeach a US president, or destroy the career and reputation of a Supreme Court nominee.
Fortunately, you don't have to worry about hearsay evidence when Jack Smith goes after your hero.

I've heard he's known for bringing the goods.

Unlike Sidney Powell.

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Old 12-12-2022, 04:07 PM
 
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Why is it that no one ever uses as an example Klaus von Bulow, Robert Blake or Robert Durst?
Everyone knows OJ. The others are not nearly has high profile.
 
Old 12-12-2022, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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It is legally impossible for a President to steal documents. Trump could take and keep any document he wanted. That is black-letter law.

Hunter's laptop showed that Joe Biden was taking bribes. That's a real crime. In fact, he was taking bribes in a way that helped to get the US into a war with Russia.

Trump acted 100% legally. Biden took money in a context that may get us all killed in a nuclear war.

This is why I continue to frequent this board, to watch the Trump folks make foolish statements. You are correct, as President Donald Trump could take and keep any documents he wanted to. But you see he was no longer President, he was a private citizen, and retaining these documents is a very serious crime. Come back to us when you understand the law and we'll talk.
 
Old 12-12-2022, 05:18 PM
 
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That's my point.


There wasn't a trial. Hearsay was appropriate at the stage of the proceeding that the case was actually at.
No. Most states and federal courts are 'fact pleading' jurisdictions. One must plead facts as to their case and then apply applicable law to the facts pled. Hearsay affidavits do not suffice as to pleading 'facts'. An affidavit takes the place of court testimony -- if it contains unallowable hearsay, it is no affidavit at all.

All this is pretty much what the courts said in dismissing Powell's suits. She should have known better. (The courts said that, too.)
 
Old 12-12-2022, 06:30 PM
 
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That's my point.


There wasn't a trial. Hearsay was appropriate at the stage of the proceeding that the case was actually at.
No. This is not difficult.

When a lawyer requests something to be entered as evidence to be used at a trial, it has to live up to some specific requirements. Those are taught at law school. Lawyers who do not follow these rules are bad lawyers who waste everybody's time and get disciplined.

What, do you imagine that courts carry out investigations or something?

Anyway, just because it makes enjoyable reading, here's judge Parker's epic smackdown. Too many good quotes to pick just one, although a judge calling an affidavit a "masterclass on making conjectural leaps and bounds" is pretty good. (A dogwalker saw a young couple dropping off some bags to a vehicle at a downtown post office. And get this - the couple were "smiling, laughing at one another.")

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...05.172.0_8.pdf

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Old 12-12-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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Everyone knows OJ. The others are not nearly has high profile.
I have my own suspicions.
 
Old 12-12-2022, 07:22 PM
 
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I have my own suspicions.
Because is black? LOL. The fact I had to google those other 3 because I don't even recall how their cases ended.

OJ was the trail of the century. Tell me what compares to it?

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Old 12-12-2022, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Agreed.

You can use hearsay as a motivator for yourself, in seeking to get to the bottom of things and find the truth, but you cannot use it in a court room.

Substituting hearsay for facts is only permissible when you are trying to impeach a US president, or destroy the career and reputation of a Supreme Court nominee.
Kavanaugh’s wasn’t in court he was at a hearing, but nice job deflecting.
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