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Old 12-13-2022, 05:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Igor Blevin View Post
Just How Dangerous Is Your Job, Anyway? : Workplaces: Forget the Postal Service.

"Just how dangerous is it to be a postal worker when compared to other jobs? At the U.S. Department of Labor, Guy Toscano sifted through some statistics this week and reported this: Postal work is one of the safest occupations in the job pool. Postal workers are not even a blip on the Department of Labor’s scale of 1993 occupational fatalities, no matter how the statistics are compiled--by job-related accident or homicide."

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...834-story.html
You know your article is from 1995, right?

And MAD magazine has MORE credibility the the la times.
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Old 12-13-2022, 09:15 AM
 
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Black on Black murders are going on in ghettos all over America. It's going on in Baltimore, Chicago, Philadelphia, St. Louis, Atlanta, even smaller cities like Jackson, Birmingham, and Baton Rouge. It's happening in Jacksonville, Miami, Tulsa, and Fort Worth. Anywhere ghettos exists, Black murder rates are high. This has been a sad fact of life going back to the 1940s and 1950s.
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Old 12-13-2022, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I am a current lifetime resident of "Milwaukee" - born, raised, worked, retired here - for the past 60 years have lived in an suburb adjoining the city, worked most of my life in downtown Milwaukee - a five minute drive from my house. My 'suburban' neighborhood is fine, w/skyrocketing property values. Still consider myself a Milwaukeean.

The area where Aundre Cross was shot is not the ghetto. Not anywhere near. Our 'ghetto' is essentially five miles east and south of where he was shot (27W, 1N-27N) - or just north of our downtown on either side of the I-43 corridor.

Aundre worked out of the Hampton Avenue station - located at 65th and Fond du Lac. About 65W, 48N - much further away from the ghetto. The Hampton neighborhood had been a predominantly white German neighborhood, but is now probably 40% black, 60% white. Many smaller single-family homes and two-family homes in the area, predominantly built in the 40's and 50's - brick construction, decent sized lots. The area is lower middle class in income, but it is not the ghetto - far from it.

Unfortunately, these drive-by shootings are occurring everywhere, primarily in the north and northwest areas of the city in and out of the ghetto. From news reports, the guy actually got out of his car. Was he targeting Cross, or just anyone?

So, so sad. Aundre was married with four kids. Solid two-parent households are so important to this country, none more so than in the black community. So far, I see no announcement of a fund for the family - although I would expect one will be set up.

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Old 12-14-2022, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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You know your article is from 1995, right?

And MAD magazine has MORE credibility the the la times.
Yes, I know. Maybe you can find newer information.

Meanwhile, my post 26 in this thread lists the top 30 most dangerous occupations in America for 2022. USPS is not among them.

Thanks in advance for any help you want to offer demonstrating where it falls on the list after #30.
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Old 12-31-2022, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Update to this - the perpetrators have been caught. It appears mailman Cross was in the middle of a drug deal involving the perpetrators, probably stole their drugs.

Suspects borrowed a car, took off the plates, and stalked this guy. Owner of car initially deceived police but eventually identifed suspects.

Based on news reports the issue involved drugs. A package containing drugs was in Cross' possession on Dec. 2, not delivered and not returned to PO. Cross was shot a week later.

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According to the criminal complaint, McCaa and Ducksworth were allegedly seen on various surveillance videos following Cross while he was delivering mail in the area for about an hour prior to the murder. The vehicle they were using at the time did not have license plates.

It is unclear from the complaint if, or how, the suspects and Cross had any relationship prior to the murder. The complaint does detail a missing package suspected of containing drugs that was in Cross’ possession but never delivered nor returned to a postal facility on Dec. 2 around 9 p.m.

The complaint stated that this “could indicate that a USPS employee retained the parcel or provided it to someone else outside of normal operations.” It did not share any more details about this or how this, and other, packages mentioned in the complaint relate to the murder.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...s/69765043007/
I told my DIL last week to me this appeared to be a targeted hit b/c it wasn't a drive-by shooting. Speculated exactly that in my earlier post above. Videos just prior to the shooting show the guy got out of the car to shoot this mailman. Turns out, I was right.

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Old 12-31-2022, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Wisconsin is the new Illinois.
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Old 12-31-2022, 01:08 PM
 
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Wisconsin is the new Illinois.
Milwaukee has a history of high murder rates, as far back as the 1980s. Wisconsin is not the new Illinois.
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Old 12-31-2022, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Long and short of this, per recent arrests, the Cross murder was a drug deal gone bad. A random shooting, this wasn't. Anywhere there are drugs, expect murders.
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Old 01-01-2023, 04:24 AM
 
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When I lived in Kansas City in the 80s, there were areas the Post office would not deliver mail. Too many robberies. Residents of those areas had to go to the PO to pick up mail. There was one area that an ambulance would not go without a police escort. They would send two cars. Two officers would go in with the EMTs. Two would guard the vehicles. Last time I was there, much of that area had been razed.
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Old 01-01-2023, 05:17 AM
 
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This could have happened in any American cities. Plenty of no-go zones in places like Fort Worth and Jacksonville.

Man pleads guilty to robbing postal worker and taking said person's mail. It could have easily ended in a murder. That was Fort Worth.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/cr...a-f076768b045a
That particular robbery in Fort Worth was in an affluent area - certainly not a “ ghetto “ or “ no go zone”.
It was part of a Crime ring stealing Postal Box keys to steal checks and then chemically washing them . 6 months later the thief was convicted and sent to prison.

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Keep the partisan stuff out of this. Delivering mail and packages has alot of risk to it. This could have happened in any cities, Democratic-ran or Republican-ran.

Jacksonville, FL, this year. Actually, this was last month.

A man driving a semi-truck was shot by someone climbing into the truck. And it happened in a supermarket parking lot.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...-the-hospital/

There are ghettos in so many cities. People who deliver stuff, who have to drive everywhere, in many cases it takes them to the bad part of town.

Fort Worth, TX.
-Food delivery driver was murdered in 2021. It's 2022 and the murder still hasn't been solved.
https://www.fox4news.com/news/hamzah...ver-fort-worth
Again, not a “ ghetto” area in Fort Worth - it was a random road rage shooting.

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I am a current lifetime resident of "Milwaukee" - born, raised, worked, retired here - for the past 60 years have lived in an suburb adjoining the city, worked most of my life in downtown Milwaukee - a five minute drive from my house. My 'suburban' neighborhood is fine, w/skyrocketing property values. Still consider myself a Milwaukeean.

The area where Aundre Cross was shot is not the ghetto. Not anywhere near. Our 'ghetto' is essentially five miles east and south of where he was shot (27W, 1N-27N) - or just north of our downtown on either side of the I-43 corridor.

Aundre worked out of the Hampton Avenue station - located at 65th and Fond du Lac. About 65W, 48N - much further away from the ghetto. The Hampton neighborhood had been a predominantly white German neighborhood, but is now probably 40% black, 60% white. Many smaller single-family homes and two-family homes in the area, predominantly built in the 40's and 50's - brick construction, decent sized lots. The area is lower middle class in income, but it is not the ghetto - far from it.

Unfortunately, these drive-by shootings are occurring everywhere, primarily in the north and northwest areas of the city in and out of the ghetto. From news reports, the guy actually got out of his car. Was he targeting Cross, or just anyone?

So, so sad. Aundre was married with four kids. Solid two-parent households are so important to this country, none more so than in the black community. So far, I see no announcement of a fund for the family - although I would expect one will be set up.
So — a drug deal and the mail worker was implicated. Turns out from your further post that Cross was the target.
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