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Old 03-24-2023, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Probably better if they just stuck them in an institution with shackles on the walls or perhaps on a remote island somewhere so they can just "get what they deserve" right.
As they say "the juice is not worth the squeeze" for some.
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Old 03-24-2023, 08:46 AM
 
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I may be in the minority, but I don't think schools should be spending more resources to educate kids with disabilities than they do for the rest. I am against providing a million dollar elevator to allow some kid in a wheelchair to attend a class just so they can feel "included". Allow the parent to get a tax credit for their share of school taxes and send the kid to a tutor.
Yeah, you are right. You are definitely in the minority. Thankfully.
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Old 03-24-2023, 08:48 AM
 
Location: New York City
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What a disasterous ruling

The ADA is a complete disaster. It gives plaintiffs a nuclear bomb to deal with a problem that should be handled with warnings and increasing fines. Already for decades in California there is a cottage industry of trial lawyers who pay people to ask if they can use the employee bathroom at stores and then sue the store on a technicality for having a defacto-bathroom without all the ADA requirements.

You shouldn't be allowed to sue places for millions right off the bat when there could be warnings and then fines which has the same effect but does not bankrupt the business.

Now with this in public education, lawyers will be swarming over families for every possible disability and claiming damages. A deaf kid not getting an education is an obvious bad, but what about a million different made up emotional distresses for not accommodating a generation of narcissists
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Old 03-24-2023, 08:56 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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I may be in the minority, but I don't think schools should be spending more resources to educate kids with disabilities than they do for the rest. I am against providing a million dollar elevator to allow some kid in a wheelchair to attend a class just so they can feel "included". Allow the parent to get a tax credit for their share of school taxes and send the kid to a tutor.
I can appreciate this sentiment, but the ship of fiscal sanity sailed long ago. If the government can print trillions of dollars to pay off left wing special interest groups and hundreds of billions to subsidize a European ground war, then we can find a few pennies for disabled children.
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Old 03-24-2023, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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This is a big win for trial lawyers. Now every disabled kid's parents will sue rather than wait for the provisions of law to play out. School districts don't stand a chance. Dig deep(er) tax payers! I've noted that courts rarely decide cases where it would restrict the ability of lawyers to make a killing suing a deep-pocketed defendant. I wonder why that is?
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Old 03-24-2023, 09:06 AM
 
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Schools have re-prioritized their resources to propagating CRT. There is limited funding remaining to support students with disabilities.
100%. My kid has a IEP and I have heard crickets all year.
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Old 03-24-2023, 09:08 AM
 
Location: New York City
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This is a big win for trial lawyers. Now every disabled kid's parents will sue rather than wait for the provisions of law to play out. School districts don't stand a chance. Dig deep(er) tax payers! I've noted that courts rarely decide cases where it would restrict the ability of lawyers to make a killing suing a deep-pocketed defendant. I wonder why that is?
It's the ADA. The ADA is a law on the books and SCOTUS ruled accordingly

It's on congress to fix this mess, but they won't. Towns are screwed
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Old 03-24-2023, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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None of which has anything to do with my post, but thanks for at least trying to play with the big kids.
Also, to the poster who messaged me via a reputation comment instead of disagreeing with me out in the open: Your comment that I need to "get my facts straight" because "CRT was never taught in K1-12" is irony at it's finest. There's someone who needs to get their facts straight - you.
That’s because…

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You guys have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
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Old 03-24-2023, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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100%. My kid has a IEP and I have heard crickets all year.
Honest question… what are you waiting to hear? If you have concerns, ask for an IEP in writing. By law, they have 30 calendar days to hold the meeting once they receive your request. If you want to REALLY make them jump, quote the applicable IDEA law in your letter requesting an IEP. That usually raises red flags with administration, and they are more likely to respond in a timely manner. If the IEP is not held within 30 days, you can file a complaint with the state Dept. Of Ed., and they will investigate and respond.
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Old 03-24-2023, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Sunny So. Cal.
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What a disasterous ruling

The ADA is a complete disaster. It gives plaintiffs a nuclear bomb to deal with a problem that should be handled with warnings and increasing fines. Already for decades in California there is a cottage industry of trial lawyers who pay people to ask if they can use the employee bathroom at stores and then sue the store on a technicality for having a defacto-bathroom without all the ADA requirements.

You shouldn't be allowed to sue places for millions right off the bat when there could be warnings and then fines which has the same effect but does not bankrupt the business.

Now with this in public education, lawyers will be swarming over families for every possible disability and claiming damages. A deaf kid not getting an education is an obvious bad, but what about a million different made up emotional distresses for not accommodating a generation of narcissists
This is my fear as well. And when districts lose cases, they are also required to pay attorney fees for the family. It’s basically extending the ridiculous CA ADA laws to the public education system. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes districts deserve to be sued, including some districts I’ve worked with, but I don’t think this ruling is really going to make anything better.
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