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Would the candidate not win over the sanctimonious crowd if liberty also meant admitting covid lockdowns and forced vaccinations were not in keeping with the principle of Liberty? Would they scoff at the idea of letting the market decide if people wanted an EV or gas oven?
Conversely, would the candidate not win over conservatives if the candidate maintained the principles of legalized drugs, prostitution, and whatever marital arrangements anyone wanted?
do most on left and right really want liberty? or would they rather have forced government on whatever they approve/disapprove of?
I am a political-nothing, not D, R, or any others political-party.
I try to see things through a logical-lense.
Humans, left to their own devices, many times make society a very awful thing...so there definitely is a place for governments having-on-the-books and enforcing rules, laws, ordinances, etc.
OTOH, governments needs to be somewhat limited to prevent overreach, due to their natural tendency
to go totally power-mad.
I am a political-nothing, not D, R, or any others political-party.
I try to see things through a logical-lense.
Humans, left to their own devices, many times make society a very awful thing...so there definitely is a place for governments having-on-the-books and enforcing rules, laws, ordinances, etc.
OTOH, governments needs to be somewhat limited to prevent overreach, due to their natural tendency
to go totally power-mad.
your comment makes me think of representative government, and why we have it. but when I look at states like New Jersey, where people overwhelmingly approve of government, overreach in terms of plastic and paper bag bans, not being allowed to pump their own gas, and absurdly high taxes to be re-distributed - they seem quite happy with the way things are and even justify it. that brings me back to my original point which is I don’t believe people on the left or right really want liberty or understand what it truly means. everybody has their own little pet projects, that they want the hand of government to partake in. I also look at states like Tennessee, where people overwhelmingly approve of band on abortion, transgender surgery for minor or pornographic books not being displayed in front of children. in a true free society all of this would be allowed. the division between red and blue states is pretty wide, but neither value liberty in their representative system.
...but neither value liberty in their representative system.
It may be complicated when both sides actively want to (and do) redraw voting districts to help them get their way. I know that's 'simplified', but that's what it is. In theory it's supposed to 'balance' things, but me thinks it isn't working.
Find me a Republican that's pro-choice on everything, wants abortion safe and legal for everyone to make their own choice as per their personal liberty, and wants drugs and prostitution legalized/regulated/taxed/at least as clean as possible.
I will make it a point to go out of my way to vote for that person. Until then, I will continue to support the Democrat that is the closest approximation to that, and general sanity and freedom.
Would the candidate not win over the sanctimonious crowd if liberty also meant admitting covid lockdowns and forced vaccinations were not in keeping with the principle of Liberty? Would they scoff at the idea of letting the market decide if people wanted an EV or gas oven?
Conversely, would the candidate not win over conservatives if the candidate maintained the principles of legalized drugs, prostitution, and whatever marital arrangements anyone wanted?
do most on left and right really want liberty? or would they rather have forced government on whatever they approve/disapprove of?
I think in our current state, the left seems to be on a massive power grab the last few years. I also think that there is always going to be people that want to control other people, right or left. It's just built in for some people. I've always had a you do you and I'll do me approach to life, but not everyone does.
Find me a Republican that's pro-choice on everything, wants abortion safe and legal for everyone to make their own choice as per their personal liberty, and wants drugs and prostitution legalized/regulated/taxed/at least as clean as possible.
I will make it a point to go out of my way to vote for that person. Until then, I will continue to support the Democrat that is the closest approximation to that, and general sanity and freedom.
Agreed. I live in Texas, and our governor is running on the idea of small government. Yet he passed one of the most extreme abortion laws in the country, people are still being arrested for marijuana possession, and he ordered CPS to investigate households with transgender youth. Not to mention all of the book bans! How is that small government?
I too will continue to vote Democrat. They are more in line with my values and I don’t see them banning things they don’t like.
It’s unlikely that we would see a Democrat run with that type of message. They don’t believe in liberty for all; they believe in “equity” and guaranteed/forced equal outcomes for everyone.
It’s unlikely that we would see a Democrat run with that type of message. They don’t believe in liberty for all; they believe in “equity” and guaranteed/forced equal outcomes for everyone.
Remove the two party system and I guarantee you'll see many Democrats move "right" and many Republicans move "left". It's the two party system that's wrong with America, not the positions of any politician.
Remove the two party system and I guarantee you'll see many Democrats move "right" and many Republicans move "left". It's the two party system that's wrong with America, not the positions of any politician.
The whole two-party thing makes ya wonder if it's a rigged game. I don't know much about other systems, but I do know that other countries have multiple parties that are actively engaged. We have multiple parties, but not really.
Some say that it forces parties to work together more to get anything done. Not sure if that is true or not, just parroting what someone told me.
Someone recently analogized politics to the NFL. You may have separate competing teams, but at the end of the day they still work for the NFL.
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Would they scoff at the idea of letting the market decide if people wanted an EV or gas oven?
