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Old 03-30-2023, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Stuart, Va.
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We are increasingly polarized as a society and it isn't good.

Big cities -- and to some extent, their metro areas -- want certain things from the government like woke racial equity policies, to defund the police, vaccine mandates, pronoun badges, drag shows for kids, pride month for gays, violent felons released from prison w/ their voting rights automatically restored, unlimited abortions, support for Ukraine, etc., meanwhile the rest of us in rural, exurban and small town America just want the government out of our lives and to retain the ability to protect ourselves and our children (i.e. maintain their innocence from government school indoctrination).

Shouldn't we allow the big cities to govern themselves and let them form their own governments, independent from the state they are physically located in? Then the rest of us can have our states back.

All of those 'blue islands' in the sea of red that is America can stand alone in their city-state governance but have equal representation in Congress.

To qualify the metro area must be 2-3 million plus -- basically too big for the state they're in.
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Old 03-30-2023, 06:52 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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So basically gerrymandering on a huge, unprecedented scale?
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Old 03-30-2023, 06:58 AM
 
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We are increasingly polarized as a society and it isn't good.

Big cities -- and to some extent, their metro areas -- want certain things from the government like woke racial equity policies, to defund the police, vaccine mandates, pronoun badges, drag shows for kids, pride month for gays, violent felons released from prison w/ their voting rights automatically restored, unlimited abortions, support for Ukraine, etc., meanwhile the rest of us in rural, exurban and small town America just want the government out of our lives and to retain the ability to protect ourselves and our children (i.e. maintain their innocence from government school indoctrination).

Shouldn't we allow the big cities to govern themselves and let them form their own governments, independent from the state they are physically located in? Then the rest of us can have our states back.

All of those 'blue islands' in the sea of red that is America can stand alone in their city-state governance but have equal representation in Congress.

To qualify the metro area must be 2-3 million plus -- basically too big for the state they're in.
I'd be good with that, but do you really want congress to be 75% democrat, with a Dem POTUS for eternity?

Just wanted to point out from the above, Republicans are in favor of the US vs Russia proxy war happening in Ukraine. They are not interested in ceding US military hegemony, and their campaign donors are well-represented by arms dealers.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:04 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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What would be their representation in Congress? Two senators? That would increase their power.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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We are increasingly polarized as a society and it isn't good.

Big cities -- and to some extent, their metro areas -- want certain things from the government like woke racial equity policies, to defund the police, vaccine mandates, pronoun badges, drag shows for kids, pride month for gays, violent felons released from prison w/ their voting rights automatically restored, unlimited abortions, support for Ukraine, etc., meanwhile the rest of us in rural, exurban and small town America just want the government out of our lives and to retain the ability to protect ourselves and our children (i.e. maintain their innocence from government school indoctrination).

Shouldn't we allow the big cities to govern themselves and let them form their own governments, independent from the state they are physically located in? Then the rest of us can have our states back.

All of those 'blue islands' in the sea of red that is America can stand alone in their city-state governance but have equal representation in Congress.

To qualify the metro area must be 2-3 million plus -- basically too big for the state they're in.
The only thing that will solve our polarization is for the DNC media to be ignored and for people to become informed on their own.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:08 AM
 
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What would be their representation in Congress? Two senators? That would increase their power.
Yes, that would mean 2 more dem senators for every incremental city state, and a massive loss of republicans in the house of representatives. I think it's a damn fine idea.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Stuart, Va.
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Yes, that would mean 2 more dem senators for every incremental city state, and a massive loss of republicans in the house of representatives. I think it's a damn fine idea.

Actually, at a federal level it would balance out to what we have now. The states will go back to being red and the big cities will blue. The real benefit to Conservatives would be at the state-level, which is what matters the most anyway.


NY state without NYC would be a red state, same with Georgia w/o Atlanta and Virginia without NoVa.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:31 AM
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No.

We need to move AWAY from deciding to divide, and move toward learning how to tolerate people who don't have your exact same mindset.

You can always move to an area of the country that leans your way, OP. Do that, instead of trying to break us all up.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Stuart, Va.
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We're talking BIG CITIES here, some states like Wyoming and Idaho have none, others have one or two. At a federal level, the politics would balance out to how they are now as pretty much all formerly blue states would revert back to red with the blue city plucked out -- with the exception of New England and California.

Take the Chicago out of Illinois and you have two equal shares, one blue and one red. However, they each get total control over how they govern themselves at the state-level.


States rights matter most to me.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Central Mass
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To qualify the metro area must be 2-3 million plus -- basically too big for the state they're in.
Lets follow through on this!

First, your cut off is TOO high. It's got to be equal to Wyoming, so 575,000 people. I used CSA cause MSA leads to 96 new states.

There are now 82 more states. I'd add one more for 83 new states - all of Rhode island is in the Boston CSA, so split PVD out on their own (PVD MSA has 1.6M people). At least most of Delaware isn't in Philadelphia's CSA! 166 senators. Some number of representatives? Maybe the same 435.
Only 13 of these new states vote republican.
Of the 50 remaining states, all 6 of the New England states and New Mexico would vote for D senators and reps.
So we'd still have 58 R states and 70 D states.

62 extremely poor states and 66 rich states. You've now made the rural areas have even less political power and almost zero economical power.
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