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Old 05-10-2023, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Not true at all.



https://www.investopedia.com/article...-automated.asp

But please tell us how you plan to fight crime with a robot. Are we going to give robots the power to shoot and arrest criminals?

I can't think of any reason AI could not do the job of a lawyer or a judge. There is no labor involved. It requires nothing but knowledge, reason, and speaking skills. An AI Alexa lawyer could question witnesses, make oral arguments, and cite case law with encyclopedic ability. There is nothing a human judge could reason or express regarding the law that AI could not do better or more fairly, IF PROGRAMMED to be fair. Odds are, it would be programmed to reflect the progressive leanings of the ABA itself.

The reality is that judges and lawyers will not be replaced by AI for the simple reason that the America Bar Association will never allow it. State and Federal legislatures are packed with lawyers and judges. Those legislatures will protect their colleagues and never allow AI to replace them.

It is not that AI can't do the job better, but that existing lawyers and judges will never allow their corrupt system of power and activism to be replaced by a dead neutral AI that simply adjudicates law on the clean meaing and interpretation of the text of laws.

Lawyers and judges will never surrender that extreme power, as legislatures full of lawyers and judges will protect them.
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Old 05-10-2023, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I can't think of any reason AI could not do the job of a lawyer or a judge.
It's a little thing called "criminal law" and they do not include robots or AI. AI is not going to be a judge, jury, grand jury, or executioner deciding whether humans get the lethal injection, life in prison, are guilty, or innocent. They're also not going to replace public elected representatives. Who is your governor? It's a robot! Who taught you medicine? A robot! Who sentenced you to death? A robot!

AI deciding the fate of human life? LOL, you're funny.
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Of course. AI will be able to make judgements faster and better than human police could do so.
Law enforcement is not about only judgment. It's about stopping mass shooters who are heavily armed using rifles and body armor in the middle of crowds, terrorists who are using vehicles, gang members who are running with their feet between houses and pedestrians and shooting from their vehicles, hostage negotiations, fugitive finding, arresting criminals, shooting criminals dead. Using probable cause to stop random people. De-escalating suspects, restraining suspects.

Yeah, AI can't do any of that without outrage from collateral damage and violation of civil and criminal laws.
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San Francisco officials have voted against allowing the police to kill suspects with remote-controlled robots. The city’s board of supervisors reversed the policy it approved last week, following outcry and protests from citizens and civil rights groups.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/7/2...cisco-reversed

55% of homicide is committed by black people, and you think robots/AI will be allowed to kill blacks to enforce the law? LOL do you understand the amount of rioting that would happen?
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According to the FBI 2019 Uniform Crime Report, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States

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Old 05-10-2023, 07:09 AM
 
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It's a little thing called "criminal law" and they do not include robots or AI. AI is not going to be a judge, jury, grand jury, or executioner deciding whether humans get the lethal injection, life in prison, are guilty, or innocent. They're also not going to replace public elected representatives. Who is your governor? It's a robot! Who taught you medicine? A robot! Who sentenced you to death? A robot!

AI deciding the fate of human life? LOL, you're funny.


Law enforcement is not about only judgment. It's about stopping mass shooters who are heavily armed using rifles and body armor in the middle of crowds, terrorists who are using vehicles, gang members who are running with their feet between houses and pedestrians and shooting from their vehicles, hostage negotiations, fugitive finding, arresting criminals, shooting criminals dead. Using probable cause to stop random people. De-escalating suspects, restraining suspects.

Yeah, AI can't do any of that without outrage from collateral damage and violation of civil and criminal laws.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/7/2...cisco-reversed

55% of homicide is committed by black people, and you think robots/AI will be allowed to kill blacks to enforce the law? LOL do you understand the amount of rioting that would happen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States
Automation will happen, there is no turning back. Now the top echelons of government will likely remain in the human domain like presidents, Congress, prime ministers, parliaments, and so on. But the middle and lower echelons would be automated. The trick is to introduce these changes slowly so that people will get used to this in an optimal manner. It all comes down to money. What is more important, money or people? Definitely money all the time. By businesses of course. And they will be introducing the AI since it would do the jobs cheaper, faster, and better than people could. People simply will not to be able to compete with AI as it gets even more refined.

However, a new problem emerges when enough jobs get automated away. Too many people will be unemployed and not able to buy the products and services that the AI produces. So all businesses will collapse. A new economic structure will have to be developed in order for society to survive.
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Old 05-10-2023, 07:23 AM
 
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"AI" or what is appearing to be such is good for discrete tasks that have a clear repeatable process, and is useful for analyzing large volumes of data. But when it comes to complicated non-discrete tasks and assessing situations that require judgement calls (i.e. the human creative element), that's a different story for now.

Note that Watson, the famous IBM "AI" supercomputer, wasn't able to deliver in the healthcare space, as first promised. IBM Watson Health was finally sold off in Jan 2022 to Francisco Partners, a global investment firm.

So the next 'few' years will not see up to 80% of all jobs replaced. Check again in 20 years, 30 years, etc. That's when we'll see the big differences.
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Old 05-10-2023, 07:27 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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AI is already being used to write news stories.
AI is being used at the FF drivethrus/ordering systems...McDonalds, Popeyes, Panera, Wendy's, Carl's Jr, Hardee's, etc.


The growth is exponential now.
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Old 05-10-2023, 07:33 AM
 
Location: MN
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Originally Posted by Rocko20 View Post
Not true at all.



https://www.investopedia.com/article...-automated.asp

But please tell us how you plan to fight crime with a robot. Are we going to give robots the power to shoot and arrest criminals?
Here’s the start, the lack of people signing up to be cops is off the charts, I’ve gotten this info for the last 5 years from my brother who’s now a retired cop. First it was cadets applying couldn’t pass the tests, now it’s we gotta lower standards. A community bordering Mpls that has many multi million dollar homes along with lower income places has a population of 22k….they have 7 cops on the entire force currently.

Cameras are being used now in England “as test units” (yeah right, no way it’s just tests going forward) these cameras can scan 6 lanes in traffic and write tickets for anything illegal happening in each vehicle. Speeding, traffic laws, plus can look into car to see if one is on phone or any other illegal thing within car.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/30/us/sa...0circumstances.
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Old 05-10-2023, 07:34 AM
 
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"AI" or what is appearing to be such is good for discrete tasks that have a clear repeatable process, and is useful for analyzing large volumes of data. But when it comes to complicated non-discrete tasks and assessing situations that require judgement calls (i.e. the human creative element), that's a different story for now.

Note that Watson, the famous IBM "AI" supercomputer, wasn't able to deliver in the healthcare space, as first promised. IBM Watson Health was finally sold off in Jan 2022 to Francisco Partners, a global investment firm.

So the next 'few' years will not see up to 80% of all jobs replaced. Check again in 20 years, 30 years, etc. That's when we'll see the big differences.
Definitely agree. I don't know why they made that prediction that it will happen relatively soon. It won't. While there will be progress in the next few years, most of us don't have to worry about our jobs being taken over by AI within our lifetimes. Just written to try to scare us s***less. And as I said in a previous post, executives and business owners will also be negatively affected. But these types of scaremongering articles never take that into consideration.
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Old 05-10-2023, 07:43 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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"AI" or what is appearing to be such is good for discrete tasks that have a clear repeatable process, and is useful for analyzing large volumes of data. But when it comes to complicated non-discrete tasks and assessing situations that require judgement calls (i.e. the human creative element), that's a different story for now.

Note that Watson, the famous IBM "AI" supercomputer, wasn't able to deliver in the healthcare space, as first promised. IBM Watson Health was finally sold off in Jan 2022 to Francisco Partners, a global investment firm.

So the next 'few' years will not see up to 80% of all jobs replaced. Check again in 20 years, 30 years, etc. That's when we'll see the big differences.
Watson was a very early implementation of AI and had lots of flaws.

OpenAI is much, much different.
Robotics is what you are describing with discrete, repeatable tasks.
Today's AI - GPT-4 can make decisions
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Old 05-10-2023, 07:43 AM
 
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Clickbait.

Not gonna happen.
You really don’t understand businesspeople do you.

If a program can get rid of a lot of expenses, like wages, then the wealthy will jump on it.
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Old 05-10-2023, 07:45 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The search engine Bing is Open AI...GPT-4.
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