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Old 06-13-2023, 07:05 AM
 
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Now we know why we are in a proxy war with Russia funneling billions to Ukraine....



Sen. Chuck Grassley Reveals Foreign National in Alleged Biden Burisma Bribe Scheme Has 17 Audio Recordings of Joe and Hunter Biden He Kept as “Insurance Policy”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...23-has-report/

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) made a Senate floor speech Monday afternoon on the controversy about the FD-1023 FBI document that contains credible allegation that Joe Biden received a $5 million bribe from an executive with the Ukrainian energy firm Burisma while vice president. In the speech Grassley said the the version of the FD-1023 shown the House Oversight Committee last week was heavily redacted, but that Grassley had seen one with far fewer redactions. He then revealed that the foreign national behind the bribe said he kept audio recordings of conversations with Joe Biden (2) and Hunter Biden (15). There is also an allegation that Joe was involved in Burisma hiring Hunter. Grassley is calling for the public release of the FD-1023 “without unnecessary redactions.”

The Federalist’s Margot Cleveland watched Grassley’s remarks live and posted, “BREAKING! WHOA! Grassley floor speech: Foreign national allegedly has audio recordings. 17!! 15 audio between him and Hunter & 2 audio with him and then VP Joe Biden. Kept as insurance policy!”

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Old 06-13-2023, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The more individuals release bits and pieces & their feelings on the bits & pieces, the more I suspect they don't have a case and know that there is no criminality. So they spread the accusations, spin the stories to create doubt/questions etc.

If there is sufficient evidence to prove wrong doing...take it to court people. Not to photo ops and sound bites on Twitter.
I'm no lawyer, but 17 audio recordings of bribery would seem to be "sufficient evidence".

Just like we told you people in 2020 - this guy is totally corrupt.
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:08 AM
 
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what are you talking about? this is the same individual we've been talking about for quite some time.

what 'feelings' are being released?
Feelings are opinions. Opinions are just part of our feelings.

If Biden is guilty of crimes, the best way to manage that is not to 'leak' bits and pieces on Fox News, or Twitter.
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The more individuals release bits and pieces & their feelings on the bits & pieces, the more I suspect they don't have a case and know that there is no criminality. .

It's one individual. It's the head of Burisma. Remember the company that Hunter Biden was given a seat on the board? Money was being funneled through Burisma directly to Joe, his brother, his son, and several other family members. Let's not act like this is not a big deal. It's bribery. Joe was Vice President and pretty sure that Obama knew about it too and since we can now go after past presidents for past things, it's game on! The question is, is if the republicans will have the stones to do it. That remains to be seen.
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:10 AM
 
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If Biden is guilty he should be charged, impeached and go to jail.

I have no problem with him suffering the consequences if the case can be presented in a legal fashion. Not as sound bites for the GOP.
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:12 AM
 
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Feelings are opinions. Opinions are just part of our feelings.

If Biden is guilty of crimes, the best way to manage that is not to 'leak' bits and pieces on Fox News, or Twitter.
what multiple individuals' feelings and opinions are being released?

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The more individuals release bits and pieces & their feelings on the bits & pieces, the more I suspect they don't have a case and know that there is no criminality.
i heard thousands of leftist opinions and feelings regarding trump's supposed misdoings. does the number of people involved there make you suspect there's no case?

this isn't being 'leaked' on twitter or fox - it was an official release from grassley.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news...-with-congress
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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If Biden is guilty he should be charged, impeached and go to jail.

I have no problem with him suffering the consequences if the case can be presented in a legal fashion. Not as sound bites for the GOP.
It’s all misdirection. There is no doubt about what is happening today.

We have one set of laws in this country that apply to all citizens. Convicting someone of a crime requires evidence, not hearsay, allegation, and innuendo. Sic semper.
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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“Alleged.”
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Unless the Democrats and whomever are running them want the Bidens gone, nothing will come of this.
Something has already become of this...public knowlege of it has shaped, and is shaping, voter sentiment right now, & into the future.

Moderate Dems, & Independents are not tunnel visioned into CNN & MSNBC like Libs are. They seek out a wider spectrum of news, so they are hearing, reading, seeing this being reported. Audio recordings of a U.S. President soliciting bribes, is a bombshell headline, its impossible to avoid online, & in social media.

Many times, disgraced public officials step down, before being convicted....like Nixon.

I doubt Biden will be convicted. He might be impeached, but that's <50-50 imho. I think him stepping down over a proponderance of evidence & negative public sentiment, is much more likely. They might blame it on his failing health, or something else to save face.

Opinions are being changed, & new negative opinions of Biden are being formulated...that is a very big "something".

The judgement in this case will be election day Nov 2024, & not likely in a court of law.
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Old 06-13-2023, 07:18 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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#1 - FD-1023s aren't evidence of anything other than someone is claiming something.

#2 - Let's hear the tapes. If Biden committed crimes, he should suffer the full weight of the justice system. What's Grassley waiting for? He's obviously sent this information to the DOJ, then, right?
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