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Old 06-04-2008, 02:33 PM
 
Location: PA
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Hate to be the one to inform you that, but the number of lobbyists in this country exceed tens of thousands, all hired to write bills for special interest groups, i.e. the company that hires them.

This is how our current government works, and if you dont see it, you've got no experience dealing with the government..
No it can't be true Ron Paul is just crazy taking about the constitution and limited government that kinda of talk belongs in somewhere else like America or something.

Yes actually I am aware of what goes on in washington that is why I am a crazy Ron Paul support myself. The less money and power in Washington the better off we all are.

 
Old 06-04-2008, 02:36 PM
 
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Well I'm still waiting for YOU to break your habit of commenting on what you think you read rather than what's actually there.

I NEVER said there is one lawsuit filed yearly, I merely used as an example the FACT that a $100 filing fee can hardly be ecpected to cover the actual cost of adjudicating a suit.

It seems you're too lazy to actually take the time to understand what you read.
You very clearly stated that the $100 fee that individuals pay do not cover the costs of operating the court system.
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Please supply some FACTS for a change, please show us exactly how all those fancy buildings have been erected, staffed, maintained, etc. by such things as a whopping $100 to file a suit that may take a number of man-days in a heated/cooled, lighted facility to settle. That $100 must go real far towards paying that, right?
The fact that you fail to understand that I'm making fun of you for not doing your own research. Since this country has 15 million lawsuits filed yearly, I'm still waiting for you to dispute that the court system is not self sufficient.

I know, you cant, and when you cant, the topic now goes to the fact that I was making fun of you for taking your words exactly as quoted, because you failed to provide one bit of fact to go along with it..
 
Old 06-04-2008, 02:38 PM
 
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No it can't be true Ron Paul is just crazy taking about the constitution and limited government that kinda of talk belongs in somewhere else like America or something.

Yes actually I am aware of what goes on in washington that is why I am a crazy Ron Paul support myself. The less money and power in Washington the better off we all are.
Ahh, see how tongue in cheek postings get lost in threads.. (note previous comment to burdell, he still doesnt understand it).

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter myself, not because I dont like the message, but I dont like the messenger. What we need is a Ron Paul that speaks like Obama to get this nation back to its original fundamentals.

Why are all elequant speakers support socialism?
 
Old 06-04-2008, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I'm not a Ron Paul supporter myself, not because I dont like the message, but I dont like the messenger. What we need is a Ron Paul that speaks like Obama to get this nation back to its original fundamentals.
Hammer. Nail. BANG.
 
Old 06-04-2008, 03:19 PM
 
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I'm not a Ron Paul supporter myself, not because I dont like the message, but I dont like the messenger. What we need is a Ron Paul that speaks like Obama to get this nation back to its original fundamentals.

Why are all elequant speakers support socialism?
Unfortunately I find an honest orator the best kind... I can't stand deceitful silver tongued a**holes like NObama.
 
Old 06-04-2008, 07:40 PM
 
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I think out of reading all of the posts from those on the left, the ones I find funniest are the ones who fail to understand this statement

They sit here all day and complain about big oil, and big business, and healthcare companies, insurance companies etc, and its obvious that they dont understand how this works and why we (well at least I)stand up for these industries that we do not belong to.

To make this simple to those on the left to understand, here is the current process.
1) Those on the left make demands of the government to look into regulating or writing new laws to be harmful to industry x
2) Industry x decides that if the government is going to regulate them, that they should have some say so in how the laws are written
3) Industry x, decides to lobby the government by buying candidates campaigns that will write laws that are favorable to their company
4) Company Y, convinces Congress to write a law that gives company Y a benefit, but harmful to company Z
5) Company Z is closed down, making those on the left feeling satisified that they have accomplished their goal of shutting down company Z (even though it was company Y causing the problem)
6) Now company Y has less competition and raises their prices truly screwing the little guy.

This goes on all the time, and the more the government gets involved, the more we need to stop being surprised when the average consumer cant afford to buy the very same items that we were trying to make affordable.

The left is always looking to the government to solve temporary problems.
In the 1980's it was against the insurance industry, people stopped buying insurance,
In the 1990's it was against the oil companies, so now oil companies can raise their prices as much as they want/need to. There is no competition due to environmental regulations, and the oil companies have already bought their lobbiests. They also have made it so cost prohibited that its virtually impossible to start a new company and compete, thereby lowering prices.

The energy problems could be fixed within a few years if the government would truly open up and allow big business to invest in alternative energy plans. As an economist stated the other day, big business does not like to gamble. Who wants to invest $1,000,000,000 into some wind farm knowing that tomorrow, the federal government could declair wind farms bad and impose a penalty upon them because they kill birds (ok, they dont really kill birds, but when has Congress ever paid attention to facts?) and then start to subsidize solar.. No one will invest money here until they know that they are not going to be wasting billions due to regulations.
Well said!
 
Old 06-04-2008, 10:42 PM
 
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Why are all elequant speakers support socialism?
It's called empathy.
 
Old 06-05-2008, 01:56 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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It's called empathy.
I agree... However, sadly, it's misguided.
 
Old 06-05-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: PA
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Why are all elequant speakers support socialism?

Because in order to sell the biggest lie you need someone who is able to lie to your face and ignore liberty and freedom for a collectivist view. I find that the least informed about liberty are the ones so willing to give it up for the promise of Government solutions.
 
Old 06-05-2008, 12:40 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You very clearly stated that the $100 fee that individuals pay do not cover the costs of operating the court system.

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And clearly anyone with a lick of common sense would understand the context of one case being filed at a cost of $100 not covering costs when it goes on for days. YOU very clearly habitually fail to understand what you read and comment instead on what you think you've read.

And I'd like to know just what fines a Civil Court, where it's plaintiff vs. defendant with the state as merely a referee, generates? The fines you allege should be written up as paying to operate that court.
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